Interpretation of the Fourier Transform of a Cauchy Distribution

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the Fourier transform of a Cauchy distribution, particularly in the context of sound waves and their behavior when played through a speaker. Participants explore the implications of using a Cauchy distribution of frequencies and how this relates to sound decay and phase alignment over time.

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  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the implications of continuously playing a sound with a Cauchy distribution of frequencies and whether the sound would decay exponentially.
  • Another participant notes the importance of phase information in the signal, explaining that as time progresses, the phases of the frequencies become misaligned, leading to a decay in amplitude.
  • A participant discusses their understanding of Fourier Transform Infrared (FT-IR) Spectroscopy, relating it to the concept of phase and amplitude in sound waves, and expresses difficulty in visualizing sound wave behavior compared to light waves in spectroscopy.
  • One participant emphasizes that frequencies are not directly fed into a speaker but rather a time signal is sent, which may clarify the misunderstanding about sound production.
  • Another participant suggests that if tones are excited with a frequency-dependent amplitude that is Lorentzian, the sound amplitude would initially decay exponentially, but would eventually oscillate as the signal rephases over time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of sound waves produced from a Cauchy distribution of frequencies, particularly regarding the nature of sound decay and the role of phase alignment. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the mathematical transformations between frequency and time, and the implications of phase differences in both sound and light, indicating a complex interplay of concepts that may not be fully resolved in their discussion.

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Hi,

I'm struggling with a conceptual problem involving the Fourier transform of distributions. This could possibly have gone in Physics but I suspect what I'm not understanding is mathematical.

The inverse Fourier transform of a Cauchy distribution, or Lorentian function, is an exponentially decaying sinusoid. What I don't get is this...

Can't I, in principle, play a sound through a speaker that has any frequency distribution I like? If I choose to continuously play such a sound with a Cauchy distribution of frequencies, what will I hear? Does the sound decay exponentially? If I'm continuously sending that combination of frequencies to my speaker, that doesn't make sense to me.

Any insights about what it is I'm missing would be most welcome.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Jim Fowler said:
Hi,

I'm struggling with a conceptual problem involving the Fourier transform of distributions. This could possibly have gone in Physics but I suspect what I'm not understanding is mathematical.

The inverse Fourier transform of a Cauchy distribution, or Lorentian function, is an exponentially decaying sinusoid. What I don't get is this...

Can't I, in principle, play a sound through a speaker that has any frequency distribution I like? If I choose to continuously play such a sound with a Cauchy distribution of frequencies, what will I hear? Does the sound decay exponentially? If I'm continuously sending that combination of frequencies to my speaker, that doesn't make sense to me.

Any insights about what it is I'm missing would be most welcome.

Thanks in advance.
Don't forget that the phase information in your signal. At time zero, all of the frequencies are in phase and the signal amplitude is at a maximum. As time goes on the signal decays as the phases move farther and farther out of alignment.
 
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Thanks, that does make sense, and I'm quite happy with that in a different scenario. Let me explain...What got me thinking about this was trying to get to grips with Fourier Transform Infrared (FT-IR) Spectroscopy. In an FT-IR instrument there's a Michelson interferrometer and a light source with a relatively broad spectrum of frequencies. The beam is split, a path length difference introduced and the two beams are recombined The signal that is detected depends on how the two beams interfere, which changes as you vary the path length difference, called the retardation. (You probably know more about spectrometers than me, I'm just recapping so we're all on the same page for the below...)

In spectroscopy it is normal to describe frequencies/wavelengths by wavenumber in inverse cm. The signal is a function of the retardation, not the time, and it's inverse cosine Fourier transform is the light source spectrum as a function of wavenumber. So the Fourier transform pair is between cm-1 and cm.

So far so good.

Now, it makes sense to me in this case that a spectrum with a frequency distribution (rather than discrete spectral lines) would give an eponential decay. As you say, at zero retardation all of the frequencies are in phase and construct. As you move the mirror in your interferrometer and so sweep the retardation (cm), the further you go the more wavenumbers start to deconstruct until at a large enough distance you have every phase difference under the sun and everything cancels.

That makes sense. There is still a constant light source but it all cancels out. I've seen it enough in the instrument data, it's referred to as the "centre burst" where nearly all the data is very close to zero retardation and drops off exponentially. But this is easy to picture what's going on. I can imagine running the mirror backwards from far to near, sweeping retardation from large to zero, and reversing the signal. I can picture that at a fixed retardation all the different sinusoidal waves have traveled slightly further in one arm than the other so for each wavenumber there is a phase difference in the two beams that depends on the wavenumber and the retardation. I can picture it because for a fixed retardation the signal is time invariant so I have 'time' to let the mental picture wander around the interferrometer. I struggle to have a similar picture in the case of sound

Mathematically, transforming wavenumber(cm-1) - retardation(cm) should be analagous to transforming frequency(s-1) - time(s) so I don't dispute the result but I'm struggling to have any intuition about what's going on in the case of sound waves. If the source is a single frequency then the signal would be a single sine wave that lasts as long as you're driving the speaker. If the source broadens just a little bit, but you're still driving the speaker indefinitely, does the volume of the sound produced really decay exponentially with time? I might have to do the experiment before I'll believe it :-)
 
Jim Fowler said:
Can't I, in principle, play a sound through a speaker that has any frequency distribution I like? If I choose to continuously play such a sound with a Cauchy distribution of frequencies, what will I hear? Does the sound decay exponentially? If I'm continuously sending that combination of frequencies to my speaker, that doesn't make sense to me.
You don't feed frequencies into a speaker, you send a time signal.
 
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Thinking a bit more about it, I might have found what is bugging you.

Imagine that you don't have a speaker, but an instrument that can produce many individual tones, close enough in frequency to be almost continuous. You then excite the tones with a frequency-dependent amplitude that is Lorentzian, leading initially to an exponentially decaying sound amplitude. But for a finite frequency range, after a while the signal will start to rephase, so the result will be an oscillating amplitude, not a forever exponentially decreasing amplitude.
 
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