Interpretation of the Gradient Vector?

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The discussion centers on the nature of the gradient of a scalar function, specifically whether it should be viewed as a vector field or a 1-form. It is noted that the gradient transforms covariantly, which supports the interpretation of it as a 1-form rather than a vector field. The gradient can be seen as a section of the cotangent bundle, but in the presence of a metric tensor, it can also be viewed as a section of the tangent bundle in Riemannian manifolds. The conversation also touches on the implications of musical isomorphism and the transformation of components in relation to tensor fields. Ultimately, the distinction between the gradient as a 1-form and its representation as a vector field in specific contexts remains a point of confusion.
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I've always thought of the gradient of a scalar function (id est, ##\nabla\varphi##) as being a vector field. However, I started thinking about it just now in terms of transformation with respect to coordinate changes, and I noticed that the gradient transforms covariantly. Thus, shouldn't the gradient be represented with a row vector?

I don't know why this is confusing for me. After looking through a couple websites, I saw that there were some who said "yes" and some who said "no," so I don't know what to think.
 
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It's technically not a vector field but rather a 1-form. The components ##\partial_{i}f## transform as those of a 1-form so that's a simple reason for why i.e. ##\partial_{i'}f = \frac{\partial x^{i}}{\partial x^{i'}}\partial_{i}f##. A slightly more general explanation is as follows: https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=4374094&postcount=18
 
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WannabeNewton said:
It's technically not a vector field but rather a 1-form.
I thought that ##\nabla\varphi=(d\varphi)^\sharp##. Wouldn't that imply that the gradient is a vector field? Or, am I just confused as to the effects of raising the index? Or, is the equation not valid?
 
The musical isomorphism is trivial for ##\mathbb{R}^{n}## so it really doesn't matter but if you look at the gradient component wise as ##\partial_{i}f## then it's a 1-form.
 
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The gradient of a scalar field is actually a section of the cotangent bundle of the manifold. However, if we are given a metric tensor, then we have a natural morphism between the cotangent bundle and the tangent bundle. As such, in Riemannian manifolds, the gradient can be seen as a section of the tangent bundle. When no natural metric is given, it can not be seen as such.

In algebraic geometry, we can see the gradient as an ##A##-derivation map ##d:B\rightarrow \Omega_{B\A}##, where ##A##, ##B## is an ##A##-algebra and where ##\Omega_{B\setminus A}## is the module of relative differential forms. We can further generalize this by defining ##\Omega_{X\setminus Y}## as a quasicoherent module of sheafs, when ##X## and ##Y## are schemes.
 
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Mandelbroth said:
I thought that ##\nabla\varphi=(d\varphi)^\sharp##. Wouldn't that imply that the gradient is a vector field? Or, am I just confused as to the effects of raising the index? Or, is the equation not valid?
Let me just add on a bit to what I said before. We can think of ##\partial_{a}## as a derivative operator on ##\mathbb{R}^{n}## that sends (n,m) tensor fields to (n,m+1) tensor fields (I'm sure you've seen this before in a more general setting!) so in this sense it sends a scalar field (i.e. a (0,0) tensor field) to a 1-form (i.e. a (0,1) tensor field); now let's say we have a metric tensor ##g_{ab}## then we can define the associated vector field ##\partial^{a}\varphi = g^{ab}\partial_{b}\varphi## which is just the musical isomorphism. In ##\mathbb{R}^{n}## we usually take ##g_{ab} = \delta_{ab}## so if ##\partial_{i}\varphi## are the components then ##\partial^{i}\varphi = \delta^{ij}\partial_{j}\varphi = \delta^{i1}\partial_{1}\varphi + \delta^{i2}\partial_{2}\varphi + \delta^{i3}\partial_{3}\varphi## so ##\partial^{1}\varphi = \partial_{1}\varphi## etc.
 

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