Interpreting Constant A & Deriving k in Air Pressure Decay

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around interpreting the constant A in the context of an exponential decay model for air pressure as altitude increases, and deriving the constant k based on a given decay rate. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification related to the model.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the constant A represents the air pressure at sea level, although this interpretation is not universally accepted.
  • There is a suggestion that the equation for air pressure can be expressed as p(h) = A*e^(kh), emphasizing the importance of the order of operations in mathematical expressions.
  • One participant notes that the decay of air pressure can be modeled by the equation p(h+30) = 0.996p(h), which is derived from the given decay rate of 0.4 percent for every 30 meters of elevation.
  • Another participant attempts to substitute the expression for p(h) into the decay equation to solve for k, indicating a need for understanding basic properties of exponentiation and logarithms.
  • There is uncertainty expressed regarding the derivation of k, with participants seeking guidance on solving the exponential equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the form of the equation and the interpretation of A, but there is no consensus on the method for deriving k, as some participants express confusion and seek further clarification.

Contextual Notes

Some participants may lack familiarity with the properties of logarithms and exponentiation, which could affect their ability to derive k from the given equations. The discussion does not resolve these mathematical steps.

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hey guys! I'm really confused as to what this question is trying to ask me!
can someone help me out :)

Air pressure decays approximately exponentially at about 0.4 per cent for each rise of 30 metres above sea level. If we let p = p(h) denote air pressure (measured in some appropriate units) at h metres above sea level, then we can model this phenomenon using the equation: p = p(h) = Aekh for some appropriate constants A and k.

Give an interpretation for the constant A. (We never need to know the actual numerical value of A to do the rest of this exercise.)
?and how do i derive this k = ln(0.996) / 30 ??thanks!
 
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Hi, and welcome to the forum!

fuzz95 said:
If we let p = p(h) denote air pressure (measured in some appropriate units) at h metres above sea level, then we can model this phenomenon using the equation: p = p(h) = Aekh for some appropriate constants A and k.
This must be $p(h)=Ae^{kh}$. In plain text, it is customary to write exponentiation using ^, and don't forget the order of operations: exponentiation is done before multiplication. Therefore, in plain text p(h) can be written as A*e^(kh).

fuzz95 said:
Give an interpretation for the constant A.
Hint: At what height the pressure is $A$?

fuzz95 said:
and how do i derive this k = ln(0.996) / 30 ??
The statement "Air pressure decays approximately exponentially at about 0.4 per cent for each rise of 30 metres above sea level" amounts to
\[
p(h+30)=0.996p(h).
\]
Substitute the definition of $p$ and see if you can solve this equation for $k$.
 
okay so i was able to do the first part!

however still have no idea how to go about doing the second half??!
 
fuzz95 said:
however still have no idea how to go about doing the second half??!

Evgeny.Makarov said:
The statement "Air pressure decays approximately exponentially at about 0.4 per cent for each rise of 30 metres above sea level" amounts to
\[
p(h+30)=0.996p(h).
\]
Substitute the definition of $p$ and see if you can solve this equation for $k$.
Well, let me do this for you. Substituting $p(h)=Ae^{kh}$ into the equation above gives
\[
Ae^{k(h+30)}=0.996Ae^{kh}.
\]
Can you solve it for $k$? If not, do you know basic properties of exponeniation? Do you know that $\ln(x)$ is the inverse of $e^x$? Have you seen any exponential equations solved? Have you solved any yourself? You may need to do some preparatory work.
 

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