Interpreting the Derivative of N = I/R - D

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the derivative of the equation N = I/R - D, where N, I, and D are integers and R is a fraction. Participants explore the implications of differentiating this equation with respect to R, examining the behavior of the derivative and its graphical representation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant interprets the derivative dN/dR as I/R^2, suggesting that lower values of R lead to higher values of dN/dR at a given I, and higher values of I lead to higher dN/dR at a given R.
  • Another participant corrects the derivative to dN/dR = -I/R^2, emphasizing that the sign is important and that the behavior of dN/dR is more negative as R decreases.
  • A third participant challenges the characterization of the curves as exponentially declining, stating that the behavior of the derivative varies inversely as a quadratic rather than exhibiting exponential characteristics.
  • Some participants propose an alternative derivative form, dN/dR = -I/[R - D]^(-2), suggesting that this represents a shift in the graph rather than a change in the fundamental relationship.
  • There is a discussion about the interpretation of the original equation, with some participants arguing about the correct form and implications of the equation as written.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the correct form of the derivative and its implications. Multiple competing views remain on the interpretation of the derivative and the nature of the resulting curves.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of the sign in the derivative and the assumptions made about the values that R can take. There is also a discussion about the implications of treating R as a variable versus an integer.

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Hi

I am not sure if my interpretation of the following derivative is correct.

N = I / R - D

Where , N, I and D are integers, while R is a fraction (1% to 15%).

If I differentiate the above equation with respect to R, I get the following equation.

dN/dR = I / R^2

The following is my interpretation of this derivative.

1. The lower the value of R, the higher the value of dN/dR, at a given I

2. At a given R, the higher the value of I , the higher the value of dN/dR

3. If I plot dN/dR against R, at various values of I, I will get exponentially declining curves, with curves with higher I values lying on the left of curves with lower I values.


Thank you,

MG.
 
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You should have dN/dR = -I/R2. Also, when you differentiate a variable, you are assuming tacitly that it can take on all real values in some interval. You can evaluate the derivative at integer values.
musicgold said:
The following is my interpretation of this derivative.

1. The lower the value of R, the higher the value of dN/dR, at a given I

2. At a given R, the higher the value of I , the higher the value of dN/dR

3. If I plot dN/dR against R, at various values of I, I will get exponentially declining curves, with curves with higher I values lying on the left of curves with lower I values.
1. The smaller R is the more negative dN/dR will be (assuming that I > 0).
2. For a given R, the larger I is, the more negative dN/dR will be (again assuming that I > 0).
3. Take into account that you had the wrong sign for your derivative.
 
musicgold said:
If I plot dN/dR against R, at various values of I, I will get exponentially[/color] declining curves, with curves with higher I values lying on the left of curves with lower I values.

The highlighted part is incorrect. Exponential curves are of the form [itex]b^{\pm a x}[/itex], where x is the variable and so would be your R. The plus sign corresponds to exponential growth as x gets large and the minus corresponds to exponential decay as x gets large.

The behaviour of the derivative you give is that it varies inversely as a quadratic. (Inversely means 1/x and quadratic means x^2).
 
thanks folks.
 
I believe your derivative should be ...

dN/dR = - I / [ R - D ]^(- 2)

That just causes a shift of the graph D units to the right.
 
paulfr said:
I believe your derivative should be ...

dN/dR = - I / [ R - D ]^(- 2)

That just causes a shift of the graph D units to the right.
You are interpreting the original equation, N = I/R - D as if it had been written N = I/(R - D). I am working with the equation exactly as it was written, which is the same is if it had been written N = (I/R) - D.
 

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