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Intersection of 2 subgroups is a subgroup?

  1. Oct 14, 2009 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
    H and K are subgroups of G. Prove that H[tex]\cap[/tex]K is also a subgroup.



    3. The attempt at a solution
    For H and K to be subgroups, they both must contain G's identity. Therefore, e [tex]\in[/tex] H[tex]\cap[/tex]K. Therefore, H[tex]\cap[/tex]K is, at least, a trivial subgroup of G.

    This was a test question. Note the past tense. The above is all that I wrote down. Since Fall Break is this week, I won't be able to see my test again until Monday. It's going to kill me. If you were my professor, would you at least give me half credit?
     
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  3. Oct 14, 2009 #2

    tiny-tim

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    Hi lockedup! :wink:

    Sorry :redface: … maybe 1 or 2 out of 10 …

    all you've proved is that it contains the identity

    (and "is, at least, a trivial subgroup of G" doesn't really make sense).

    If you remember what a subgroup is, always state it in the test, even if you can't see how to prove it: then at least your professor will know that you know, and can give you some credit for it. :smile:
     
  4. Oct 14, 2009 #3
    Well, I thought one of the trivial subgroups was the set containing just the identity (the other being the group itself)... My question is how do I prove there other other elements in H and K (specifically one element and its inverse).
     
  5. Oct 14, 2009 #4

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    Yes, that's right :smile:

    but why are you even mentioning trivial subgroups?

    (is there something about them in the original question?)
    ah, you don't have to prove there are other elements …

    it's enough to say that if there are other elements, then they satisfy the subgroup properties. :wink:
     
  6. Oct 14, 2009 #5

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    What you said proves that [itex]H\cap K[/itex] contains a subgroup.

    You do not need to "prove there are other elements". If there are no other elements in [itex]H\cap K[/itex] then that singleton set, {e}, is a subgroup.

    But if there are other elements that e in the intersection, you still have to prove the whole thing is a subgroup. Specifically, you have to prove that the set is closed under the group operation and that, if the intersection contains member a, then it contains [itex]a^{-1}[/itex].

    Neither of those is hard to show, but they must be shown.
     
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