The webpage title could be: Subgroups in (R^2,+) with Component-wise Addition

[PsychonautQQ]

Homework Statement

Let (R^2,+) be the set of ordered pairs with addition defined component wise. Verify {(x,2x)|x£R} is a subgroup and that {(x,2x+1)|x£R} is not a subgroup.

The Attempt at a Solution

So for something to be a subgroup it has to have all it's set items contained in the main group and be a group on it's own.

To be a group on it's own it has to have an identity e and an operation (in this case +) so that:
e+g = G

and an inverse so that (in this case a negative number with same magnitude)
g + (-g) = 0

and be assosciative
(g+h)+k = g+(h+k)
and it seems both (x,2x) and (x,2x+1) satisfy all these properties.

Furthermore, it seems that both (x,2x) and (x,2x+1) have all their combinations included in the main group. How is (x,2x+1) not a subgroup? What am I missing here?

 

[HallsofIvy]

Homework Statement

Let (R^2,+) be the set of ordered pairs with addition defined component wise. Verify {(x,2x)|x£R} is a subgroup and that {(x,2x+1)|x£R} is not a subgroup.

The Attempt at a Solution

So for something to be a subgroup it has to have all it's set items contained in the main group and be a group on it's own.

To be a group on it's own it has to have an identity e and an operation (in this case +) so that:
e+g = G

I presume you mean e+ g= g.

and an inverse so that (in this case a negative number with same magnitude)
g + (-g) = 0

and be assosciative
(g+h)+k = g+(h+k)
and it seems both (x,2x) and (x,2x+1) satisfy all these properties.

Furthermore, it seems that both (x,2x) and (x,2x+1) have all their combinations included in the main group. How is (x,2x+1) not a subgroup? What am I missing here?

Since you are using ordinary addition, (x, 2x+ 1)+ (y, 2y+ 1)= (x+ y, 2x+1+ 2y+ 1)= (x+ y, 2(x+ y)+ 2) which is NOT of the form (a, 2a+ 1).

 

[AlephZero]

You are missing the fact that if H is a subgroup of G, and x and y are any elements of H, then x+y must also be an element of H.

 

[pasmith]

Homework Statement

Let (R^2,+) be the set of ordered pairs with addition defined component wise. Verify {(x,2x)|x£R} is a subgroup and that {(x,2x+1)|x£R} is not a subgroup.

The Attempt at a Solution

So for something to be a subgroup it has to have all it's set items contained in the main group and be a group on it's own.

To be a group on it's own it has to have an identity e and an operation

The operation of the subgroup is the same as the operation of the full group. Thus you already know that the operation is associative, that there is a unique identity e \in G, and that every g \in G has a unique inverse g^{-1} \in G.

To show that H \subset G is a subgroup, you must show the following (in order of being easiest to check):

• Identity: e \in H.
• Inverse: If h \in H then h^{-1} \in H.
• Closure: If h_1 \in H and h_2 \in H then h_1h_2 \in H.

Here H = \{(x, 2x + 1) : x \in \mathbb{R}\} falls at the first hurdle: (0,0) \notin H.

 

[STEMucator]

Pasmith has noted something important in his post. If the origin isn't included, then it can't be a subgroup. Any line with a y intercept that isn't 0 can't form a subgroup.

So $(x,2x)$ will form a subgroup, but $(x,2x + b)$ for any $b ≠ 0$ will not.