Modern Algebra unified subgroup question

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The discussion revolves around the properties of subgroups in group theory, specifically examining the union of two subgroups H and K of a group G. The original poster attempts to show that the union H ∪ K is a subgroup of G if and only if one subgroup is contained within the other.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the closure property of subgroups and question the implications of elements being in either subgroup. There is a focus on using proof by contradiction and examining cases where elements belong to different subgroups.

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Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the proof, suggesting methods such as proof by contradiction and analyzing the implications of elements from different subgroups. Multiple lines of reasoning are being explored, with participants questioning the closure of the union under group operations.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions regarding the elements of H and K, particularly in relation to their intersections and the implications for closure in the union. The participants are navigating the constraints of subgroup definitions and properties without reaching a consensus.

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Homework Statement


If H and K are subgroups of G, show HUK is a subgroup of G if and only if H < K or K < H ( the < meaning that all the elements of H are in K or all the elements of K are in H).

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I believe the problem here is HUK might not be a closed group. Certainly all the elements of HUK are also in G.

If all the elements of H are in K, then hk is an element of HUK for all h,k.

If the intersection of H and K does not equal H or K, that means that hk may not be in HUK as it is not closed.

These are my thoughts so far. Am I on the right track here? How do I start turning this into a proof?
 
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Yes, you are on the right track. Suppose h is not an element of K and k is not an element of H. Can you show hk is not an element of H or K? Use proof by contradiction.
 
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There is a nice, helpful result that a subset H of a group G is a subgroup of G if for any a,b in H, ## ab^{-1}## is in H.
Now if a,b are either both in A or both in B, no problem, but consider what happens when a is in H and b is in K-H ( of course then we show we must have H subset K ).
 
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h is not an element of K and k is not an element of H. Then hk being an element of HUK is a contradiction because.. I'm lost >.<
 
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h is not an element of K and k is not an element of H. Then hk being an element of HUK is a contradiction because.. I'm lost >.<

Suppose hk is an element of K. Say hk=k'. Solve for h and think about it.
 
Well, notice that subgroups are closed under the group operation. Let a in H, let b be in K-H and

## ab:=c \in H ## . Then ##b= a^{-1} c ## , so that b is the product of elements of H, and the product of

elements in H must be in H.
 

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