Intersection point between a line with slope m and f(x)

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The problem involves analyzing the function f(x) = 2x² - 5x - 12, including finding its derivative, determining the rate of change at a specific point, and exploring the intersection points between a line with slope m and the graph of f(x). The discussion also touches on conditions for coincident intersection points.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss finding the derivative of f(x) using first principles and calculating the rate of change at x=1. There is an exploration of the intersection points between the line and the function, with attempts to equate their equations. Questions arise regarding the conditions for coincident points and the implications of having one root in the quadratic equation derived from the intersection.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on correcting a sign error in the quadratic equation and have discussed methods for solving it. There is ongoing exploration of the conditions under which the intersection points are coincident, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the implications of their findings.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which includes multiple parts that build on each other. There is a focus on understanding the relationships between the derivative, the tangent line, and the intersection points.

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Homework Statement


f(x) = 2x2-5x-12 is given;
part a: find derivative of f(x) using first principles,
part b: find the rate of change of f(x) at x=1,
part c: the points at which the line through (1, -15) with slope m cuts the graph of f(x),
part d: the value of m such that the points of intersection found in (c) are coincident,
part e: the equation of the tangent to the graph of f(x) at the point (1, -15)

2. The attempt at a solution
I found the derivative first, using first principles, it is f'(x) = 4x - 5

Then for part b, the rate of change of f(x) at x = 1, it's the f'(x) value at x = 1, which is -1, the slope of tangent.

I am stuck at part c. I first got the line equation; y-y1=m(x-x1) using point (1, -15), which gives y = mx-m-15

So to find the intersection points with this line and f(x), I tried to equate them both and solve,

mx-m-15 = 2x2-5x-12, and end up at the following,

2x2-(5-m)x+(m+3)=0 how do I solve this? or is my approach wrong?

And what is that part d is asking? I didn't understand it.

Thanks!
 
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You are correct thus far.

Part d is saying that the equation you found 2x2-(5-m)x+(m+3)=0 has only one root.
 
Hi cir, welcome to PF.
2x2-(5-m)x+(m+3)=0
This equation should be
2x2-(5+m)x+(m+3)=0
If ax^2 + bx + c = 0, then x = [-b (+ or -)(b^2 - 4ac)^1/2 ]/2a
Use this formula and solve for x.
 
@rl.bhat

Thanks. Just saw the sign error. Now able to solve using factorization too.

mx-m-15=2x2-5x-12

2x2-5x-mx+m+3=0

2x2-5x+3-m(x-1)=0

2x(x-1)-3(x-1)-m(x-1)=0

(2x-3-m)(x-1)=0

x = 1 ; x = (m+3)/2

y= -15 ; y = ((m2+m)/2)-15

intersecting points therefore: pt (1, -15), pt ((m+3)/2, ((m2+m)/2)-15) ;answer correct according to textbook answers.


@rock.freak667

I still don't get it :frown: , now that I have found the intersection points, how do I find the value of m such that the points of intersection found in (c) are coincident? how do I know it's just one root (cause I did get two intersection points, (1, -15) and the other in terms of m)?

My guess is since the pt (1, -15) is on both lines, thus coincident to both lines, I could equate the x values of the other intersection point found in terms of slope m ((m+3)/2, (m2+m)/2-15)

Thus equating x coordinates gives (m+3)/2 = 1 and solving for m, m = -1 (equating y coordinates gives m = 0)

m = -1 is the correct answer in book, but I still don't understand this part completely. some further explanation would be great :smile:
 
The tangent to the curve touches the curve at one point.
You have already found f'(x) = m = (4x - 5). Put x = 1. You get m = -1.
 
got it, thnks.
 

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