Intersection point between a line with slope m and f(x)

In summary, in this problem we are given a function f(x) = 2x2-5x-12 and asked to find its derivative using first principles, the rate of change at x=1, the points of intersection of the graph of f(x) with a line through (1, -15) with slope m, the value of m for coincident points of intersection, and the equation of the tangent at (1, -15). We find the derivative to be f'(x) = 4x - 5 and the rate of change at x = 1 to be -1. To find the points of intersection, we set the line equation y = mx - m - 15 equal to the function f
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Homework Statement


f(x) = 2x2-5x-12 is given;
part a: find derivative of f(x) using first principles,
part b: find the rate of change of f(x) at x=1,
part c: the points at which the line through (1, -15) with slope m cuts the graph of f(x),
part d: the value of m such that the points of intersection found in (c) are coincident,
part e: the equation of the tangent to the graph of f(x) at the point (1, -15)

2. The attempt at a solution
I found the derivative first, using first principles, it is f'(x) = 4x - 5

Then for part b, the rate of change of f(x) at x = 1, it's the f'(x) value at x = 1, which is -1, the slope of tangent.

I am stuck at part c. I first got the line equation; y-y1=m(x-x1) using point (1, -15), which gives y = mx-m-15

So to find the intersection points with this line and f(x), I tried to equate them both and solve,

mx-m-15 = 2x2-5x-12, and end up at the following,

2x2-(5-m)x+(m+3)=0 how do I solve this? or is my approach wrong?

And what is that part d is asking? I didn't understand it.

Thanks!
 
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  • #2
You are correct thus far.

Part d is saying that the equation you found 2x2-(5-m)x+(m+3)=0 has only one root.
 
  • #3
Hi cir, welcome to PF.
2x2-(5-m)x+(m+3)=0
This equation should be
2x2-(5+m)x+(m+3)=0
If ax^2 + bx + c = 0, then x = [-b (+ or -)(b^2 - 4ac)^1/2 ]/2a
Use this formula and solve for x.
 
  • #4
@rl.bhat

Thanks. Just saw the sign error. Now able to solve using factorization too.

mx-m-15=2x2-5x-12

2x2-5x-mx+m+3=0

2x2-5x+3-m(x-1)=0

2x(x-1)-3(x-1)-m(x-1)=0

(2x-3-m)(x-1)=0

x = 1 ; x = (m+3)/2

y= -15 ; y = ((m2+m)/2)-15

intersecting points therefore: pt (1, -15), pt ((m+3)/2, ((m2+m)/2)-15) ;answer correct according to textbook answers.


@rock.freak667

I still don't get it :frown: , now that I have found the intersection points, how do I find the value of m such that the points of intersection found in (c) are coincident? how do I know it's just one root (cause I did get two intersection points, (1, -15) and the other in terms of m)?

My guess is since the pt (1, -15) is on both lines, thus coincident to both lines, I could equate the x values of the other intersection point found in terms of slope m ((m+3)/2, (m2+m)/2-15)

Thus equating x coordinates gives (m+3)/2 = 1 and solving for m, m = -1 (equating y coordinates gives m = 0)

m = -1 is the correct answer in book, but I still don't understand this part completely. some further explanation would be great :smile:
 
  • #5
The tangent to the curve touches the curve at one point.
You have already found f'(x) = m = (4x - 5). Put x = 1. You get m = -1.
 
  • #6
got it, thnks.
 

1. What is the formula for finding the intersection point between a line with slope m and f(x)?

The formula for finding the intersection point is (x,y) where x = (f(x) - b) / m, and y = f(x). This can also be written as (x, f(x)) since the y coordinate is equal to the function value at that x coordinate.

2. How do you determine the slope of a line passing through two points?

To determine the slope of a line passing through two points (x1,y1) and (x2,y2), you can use the formula m = (y2-y1) / (x2-x1). This represents the change in y over the change in x, or rise over run.

3. Can the line with slope m and f(x) intersect at more than one point?

Yes, the line with slope m and f(x) can intersect at more than one point. This can occur when the function f(x) has multiple x-intercepts or when the slope m is the same for multiple lines.

4. How does the slope of a line affect its intersection point with f(x)?

The slope of a line affects its intersection point with f(x) in that a steeper slope (larger m value) will result in a smaller x value for the intersection point, while a flatter slope (smaller m value) will result in a larger x value for the intersection point.

5. Is it possible for a line with slope m and f(x) to not have an intersection point?

Yes, it is possible for a line with slope m and f(x) to not have an intersection point. This can occur when the function f(x) does not intersect with the line or when the slope m is parallel to the function f(x).

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