Intrinsic coordinates kinematics problem

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The discussion revolves around a kinematics problem involving intrinsic coordinates, where the acceleration is defined as a function of position. The user derives the velocity equation and seeks to determine the point at which the velocity changes sign, indicating a transition from positive to negative. There is a correction regarding the calculation of the constant k, which is essential for determining the behavior of the velocity function. The conversation touches on the physical interpretation of imaginary velocity, suggesting that it indicates regions where the particle cannot exist, thus confining its movement within a specific interval. Ultimately, the analysis leads to the conclusion that the particle exhibits sinusoidal motion, indicating it moves back and forth along a curve.
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Homework Statement
A particle moves along a defined curve so that its acceleration tangential component: ##a_t=-ks##, where k is a constant and s denotes the arc distance respect to a point Q.
a) Find an expression for the velocity as a function of s.
b) Supposing that at Q its velocity equals 3.6 m/s and at A (s=5.4 m) 1.8 m/s, find k and its curvature radius at A knowing that the acceleration has magnitude 3.0 m/s^2.
c) Find at which distance the particle inverts its movement.
Relevant Equations
##\vec v= v e_t##
##\vec a= a_t e_t + a_n e_n = \frac{dv}{dt} e_t + \frac {v^2}{\rho} a_n##
So I know that ##a_t = \frac{dv}{dt}=-ks## and ##\frac{dv}{dt}=v\frac{dv}{ds}## then: $$v dv=-ks ds \rightarrow (v(s))^2=-ks^2+c$$ and using my initial conditions it follows that: $$(3.6)^2=c \approx 13$$ and $$(1.8)^2=13-5.4k \rightarrow k=1.8 \rightarrow (v(s))^2=13-1.8s$$
What bothers me is finding at which point it turns, I am having trouble even getting started, any help would be appreciated.
 
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I think it asks to find the s for which velocity changes sign that is from positive becomes negative. I guess the distance s for which ##v(s)^2=-ks^2+c=0##.

btw I think you have a mistake in the calculation of k, shouldn't it be ##(1.8)^2=13-(5.4)^2k##?
 
Delta2 said:
I think it asks to find the s for which velocity changes sign that is from positive becomes negative. I guess the distance s for which ##v(s)^2=-ks^2+c=0##.

btw I think you have a mistake in the calculation of k, shouldn't it be ##(1.8)^2=13-(5.4)^2k##?
You are right about my mistake! Glad you could help me. One question though, does this represent a physical situation ? Considering that when the rhs is negative square root becomes complex
 
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Well to be honest I found it hard to answer your question, but I THINK that the physical interpretation of the imaginary velocity we get for ##s>\sqrt\frac{c}{k}## is that the particle moves through the curve in the opposite direction.

EDIT: On second thought I believe imaginary velocity means that the particle can never be there and that its movement is confined for s between ##-\sqrt\frac{c}{k}<s<+\sqrt\frac{c}{k}##
 
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Delta2 said:
Well to be honest I found it hard to answer your question, but I THINK that the physical interpretation of the imaginary velocity we get for ##s>\sqrt\frac{c}{k}## is that the particle moves through the curve in the opposite direction.

EDIT: On second thought I believe imaginary velocity means that the particle can never be there and that its movement is confined for s between ##-\sqrt\frac{c}{k}<s<+\sqrt\frac{c}{k}##
Maybe it could model a particle movement in an ellipse or circle.
 
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Maybe it could model a particle movement in an ellipse or circle.
Maybe, we don't have any information about the normal force so we don't know what curve shape it is and whether it is a closed curve. However i believe that is not the point here. The point is that the particle is restricted within an interval. Like a particle that is restricted within a semi circle or a semi ellipse and moves back and forth.

To prove this, using the definition of acceleration ##a=\frac{d^2s}{dt^2}=-ks## and solving for s(t) we find that s(t) is sinusoidal. So indeed the particle moves back and forth (along a curve not necessarily in a straight line).
 
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