Introductory Astronomy or Astrophysics book

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around recommendations for introductory books on Astronomy and Astrophysics suitable for beginners with some mathematical background. Participants explore various texts that balance accessibility and challenge, considering both personal preferences and teaching needs.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests "The Cosmic Perspective" by Bennett as a useful introductory text with minimal physics and mathematics, aimed at providing background information on astrophysical systems.
  • Another participant recommends "Modern Astrophysics" by Carroll and Ostlie, noting its advanced undergraduate level and mathematical content, and suggests using it alongside Bennett.
  • A third participant mentions "Foundations of Astrophysics" by Ryden and Peterson as a more readable alternative to Carroll and Ostlie, suitable for similar levels.
  • There is a request for additional recommendations for a book that is more challenging than Bennett but less difficult than Carroll and Ostlie, specifically for undergraduate teaching.
  • One participant notes the lack of available texts between the levels of Bennett and Ryden and Peterson, mentioning "Exploring Black Holes" by Taylor and Wheeler as a specialized option that requires prior physics knowledge.
  • Participants express curiosity about the target audience for the recommended texts, including general undergraduates and those majoring in physics and astrophysics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the usefulness of the mentioned texts but express differing opinions on the availability of suitable books that fit specific educational needs. No consensus is reached on a definitive recommendation for a text that falls between the levels of Bennett and Ryden and Peterson.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of finding appropriate texts for different levels of undergraduate courses, indicating that many good books may be out of print. There is also mention of varying prerequisites for the recommended books.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and educators seeking introductory resources in Astronomy and Astrophysics, particularly those looking for texts that balance accessibility with academic rigor.

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Interested in learning about Astronomy/ Astrophysics. I do not know anything besides the planets, and apparently I learned today that Asteroids are rich in metals.??

I am looking for a book that is introductory, but is not to easy.

I have taken a course in freshman calculus based mechanics and EnM. My math knowledge consist of Multivariable Calculus, Intro ODE, and intro Linear Algebra.
 
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You would find 2 books to be useful as a beginner:

1. Bennett, The cosmic Perspective - this is an introductory text that with a minimum of physics and mathematics examines the principal astrophysical systems in the universe, provides an understanding of their properties and has a wealth of background information that you would not pick up in a standard physics course.

2. Carroll and Ostlie, Modern Astrophysics - there are 2 versions of this text, a 1-volume combined text, and a 2-Volume republication of the same material, divided into stellar astrophysics and galactic astrophysics. This text is at advanced undergraduate level and is more mathematical.

I recommend you use both texts alongside each other. A major obstacle to astrophysics, unless you have come through an undergraduate degree in astrophysics, is that the system and associated phenomena are completely unfamiliar to a standard physics graduate. That is what makes Bennett so useful, in spite of the paucity of its mathematical content.

There are very many more astrophysics books to choose from, all at a much more advanced level. I can give you the titles if you want them, but the above books are probably all you would want at the moment.
 
Although I like (and have on my shelf) both Bennet and Carroll and Ostlie, I also recommend "Foundations of Astrophysics" by Barbara Ryden and Bradley M. Peterson,

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0321595580/?tag=pfamazon01-20,

whch is almost at the level of Carroll and Ostlie, but which is maybe a little more readable.
 
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George Jones said:
Although I like (and have on my shelf) both Bennet and Carroll and Ostlie, I also recommend "Foundations of Astrophysics" by Barbara Ryden and Bradley M. Peterson,

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0321595580/?tag=pfamazon01-20,

whch is almost at the level of Carroll and Ostlie, but which is maybe a little more readable.

Do you have any other recommendations? I am looking for a book to use with an undergraduate class - freshman level - that is not as difficult as Carroll and Ostlie but more challenging than Bennett, from which I currently teach. The good books I know all appear to be out of print.
 
MarcusAgrippa said:
Do you have any other recommendations? I am looking for a book to use with an undergraduate class - freshman level - that is not as difficult as Carroll and Ostlie but more challenging than Bennett, from which I currently teach. The good books I know all appear to be out of print.

Sorry, I have several others books at the level of Bennett, but I don't know of any astronomy/astrophysics books between the levels of Bennet and Ryden and Peterson. There is the much more specialized "Exploring Black Holes" by Taylor and Wheeler, which requires freshman physics and single-variable calculus as inputs. I used this as the text for a course that I taught years ago. Time flies.

I am curious:

General undergrads? Science undergrads? Physics undergrads?
 
George Jones said:
Sorry, I have several others books at the level of Bennett, but I don't know of any astronomy/astrophysics books between the levels of Bennet and Ryden and Peterson. There is the much more specialized "Exploring Black Holes" by Taylor and Wheeler, which requires freshman physics and single-variable calculus as inputs. I used this as the text for a course that I taught years ago. Time flies.

I am curious:

General undergrads? Science undergrads? Physics undergrads?

BSc majoring in physics and astrophysics. They begin astrophysics in the first year. We use Bennett in the first semester and are struggling to find a text pitched at the correct level for the second semester.
 

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