Intuitive explanation for the general determinant formula?

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The discussion centers around seeking an intuitive explanation for the general formula of the determinant of an n-by-n matrix. Participants explore the meaning, derivation, and implications of the determinant in various dimensions, including its geometric interpretation.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

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  • One participant requests an intuitive understanding of the determinant, expressing familiarity with its calculation but lacking a real-world explanation.
  • Another participant presents the formal definition of the determinant using a summation over permutations, noting that this may not be intuitive but could provide some clarity.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the determinant represents a signed volume, using the example of vectors in \(\mathbb{R}^2\) to illustrate how it relates to the area of a parallelogram.
  • One participant recommends starting with 2D and 3D examples to understand how the determinant relates to areas and volumes, suggesting a progression to n dimensions and its implications for integration.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the properties of being multilinear and alternating are essential for the determinant's formula, linking it to geometric intuition and referencing external resources for further exploration.

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Participants express various interpretations of the determinant, with some focusing on its geometric meaning while others emphasize formal definitions. There is no consensus on a singular intuitive explanation, and multiple perspectives remain present.

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Some participants reference external materials and notes for deeper understanding, indicating that the discussion may depend on prior knowledge of linear algebra concepts and geometric interpretations.

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Hello

Could anyone give an intuitive explanation of the determinant? I know mostly what the determinant means and I can calculate it etc. But I have never got any real-world intuitive explanation of the general formula of the determinant?

How is the formula derived? Where does it come from? What I'm essentially asking is: Prove the general formula for calculating the determinant of an n-by-n matrix and explain the meaning of it

Any support = Thank you so much! =)
 
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Often the determinant is just defined by the formula:
\det(a_{ij}) = \sum_{\sigma \in S_n} \mathrm{sgn}(\sigma)a_{1\sigma(1)} \cdots a_{n\sigma(n)}
On the other hand, if you define the determinant as the unique alternating multilinear functional \det:\mathbb{R}^n \times \cdots \times \mathbb{R}^n \rightarrow \mathbb{R} (where the product is taken n-times) satisfying \det(I) = 1, then you can recover the formula above for the determinant.

Edit: I suppose this is not really an intuitive explanation, but hopefully it helps a little.
 
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A nice and intuitive explanation of the determinant is that it just represents a signed volume.

For example, given the vectors (a,b) and (c,d) in \mathbb{R}^2. Then we can look at the parallelogram formed by (0,0), (a,b), (c,d) and (a+c,b+d). The area of this parallellogram is given by the absolute value of

det \left(\begin{array}{cc} a & b\\ c & d \end{array}\right)

Of course the determinant has a sign as well. This is why we call the determinant the signed volume. That is: if we exchange (a,b) and (c,d), then we get the opposite area. The sign is useful for determining orientation.
 
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hello jjepsuomi! welcome to pf! :smile:

i suggest you start in 2D and 3D by considering how the determinant relates the the area of a rectangle to the area of the transformed parallelogram or the volume of a cube to the volume of the transformed parallelepiped,

and then how you'd apply that in n dimensions, and how it affects integration after a transformation :wink:
 
saying it is an oriented volume measure implies it should be a multilinear and alternating function. these properties force the formula to be what it is, if you assume the value is 1 on a unit cube. determinants are developed in complete detail starting on p. 62 of these notes.

http://www.math.uga.edu/%7Eroy/4050sum08.pdffor geometric intuition you might look at the book by david bachmann on geometric approach to differential forms.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0817683038/?tag=pfamazon01-20
 
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