Invariance of Domain: Showing U Open in Differential Geometry | Spivak Ch.1

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the Invariance of Domain theorem as presented in Spivak's Differential Geometry, particularly focusing on the implications of a set U being homeomorphic to \mathbb{R}^n and the conditions under which U is considered open in \mathbb{R}^n.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that since \mathbb{R}^n is open in \mathbb{R}^n, the pre-image of \mathbb{R}^n under a homeomorphism f: U \rightarrow \mathbb{R}^n should imply that U is open in \mathbb{R}^n.
  • Another participant challenges this reasoning, stating that the conclusion drawn is incorrect and that it only shows U is open in itself.
  • A third participant acknowledges the point about U being open in itself but emphasizes the need to determine whether U is open in \mathbb{R}^n.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the Invariance of Domain theorem, questioning how the antecedent conditions relate to the conclusion about U being open in \mathbb{R}^n.
  • Another participant suggests a modification to the theorem's conclusion, indicating that while one part may be trivial, the openness of V in \mathbb{R}^n remains a significant point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the Invariance of Domain theorem and whether U being homeomorphic to \mathbb{R}^n guarantees its openness in \mathbb{R}^n. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing interpretations of the theorem's requirements and conclusions.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions necessary for the Invariance of Domain theorem, particularly concerning the conditions under which the homeomorphism is defined and the implications of its properties.

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In the first volume of Differential Geometry, Ch. 1, Spivak states that if [itex]U \subset \mathbb{R}^n[/itex] is homeomorphic to [itex]\mathbb{R}^n[/itex], then [itex]U[/itex] is open. This seems obvious: [itex]\mathbb{R}^n[/itex] is open in [itex]\mathbb{R}^n[/itex], so its pre-image under a homeomorphism [itex]f:U \rightarrow \mathbb{R}^n[/itex] is open. The pre-image under [itex]f[/itex] of [itex]\mathbb{R}^n[/itex] is [itex]U[/itex]. Therefore [itex]U[/itex] is open in [itex]\mathbb{R}^n[/itex].

Why does Spivak not take this obvious route? Am I mistaken about it? Instead, he says that proof of the openness of [itex]U[/itex] needs something called the Invariance of domain theorem.
 
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Rasalhague said:
The pre-image under [itex]f[/itex] of [itex]\mathbb{R}^n[/itex] is [itex]U[/itex]. Therefore [itex]U[/itex] is open in [itex]\mathbb{R}^n[/itex].
This step is wrong. The correct conclusion from that information is
... therefore U is open in U.​
 
Ah, I see! And, of course, U must be open in U anyway, being a topological space; but the issue is whether U is open in [itex]\mathbb{R}^n[/itex]. Thanks, Hurkyl.
 
I still don't get it. The IOD theorem is of the form "(A&B) implies C". Since f is a homeomorphism, B and C are true (f is 1-1 and continuous, and f is a homeomorphism). But this says nothing about A (U is open in R^n). (A&B) implies C" is consistent with A being true or false.

As an aside, does the theorem assume that f is onto and hence invertible, or is this implied by the antecedents?
 
Replace C with C&D. I believe you're correct that D is trivial, and it was strange to include it. However, C is still certainly nontrivial (the openness of V in ℝn).
 

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