Invariant Subspace: Understanding Definitions

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The discussion revolves around the concept of invariant subspaces in linear algebra, particularly in the context of linear operators and vector spaces. Participants explore definitions, notations, and examples related to invariant subspaces, seeking clarity on the conditions that define such spaces.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that for a vector collection |\beta> to be invariant under |\gamma>, it must be contained within |\gamma>, but expresses uncertainty about the definitions.
  • Another participant clarifies that |\gamma\rangle is a vector, not a subspace, and suggests using standard notation with V as the vector space, S as a subset, and U as a subspace.
  • A participant summarizes that a subspace U is invariant under a linear operator T if applying T to any vector x in U results in Tx also being in U.
  • Further clarification is provided that for U to be T invariant, it must hold that T(V) is a subset of V for all vectors in V.
  • One participant offers an example of invariant subspaces, noting that the z axis is a 1-dimensional invariant subspace and the xy plane is a 2-dimensional invariant subspace.
  • Another participant reflects on the example, suggesting that the z axis acts as a z operator, making it z invariant, while the xy plane is invariant under x and y operators.

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Participants generally agree on the definition of invariant subspaces in relation to linear operators, but there is some confusion regarding the initial definitions and notations. Multiple interpretations of the concept are present, indicating that the discussion remains somewhat unresolved.

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There are limitations in the clarity of definitions and notations used by participants, which may affect the understanding of the concept of invariant subspaces. Some assumptions about the properties of vector collections and their relationships to subspaces are not fully articulated.

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So I'm trying to get an idea of what an invariant subspace is and so please let me know if my understanding is correct. Given that you have some vector subspace being a collection of a particular number of vectors with the the space denoted as |[tex]\gamma[/tex]>. If you have some other collection of vectors, not necessairly being a subspace in itself ... however we'll say that this collection of vectors is denoted as |[tex]\beta[/tex]>. If |[tex]\gamma[/tex]> is to be |[tex]\beta[/tex]> invariant, does that mean beta is contained in the vector space gamma?

Or for gamma to be beta invariant, does that mean the vector collection |[tex]\beta[/tex]> must make up a vector subspace itself spanning the vector subspace |[tex]\gamma[/tex]>? If this is the definition, must beta be a collection of orthogonal vector states?

I'm not sure which definition it should be, or if I'm even right with any of the definitions.

Thanks for the responses.
 
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[itex]|\gamma\rangle[/itex] is the notation for a vector, not a subset or a subspace. Let's use a more standard notation. Let's call the vector space V, and let S be a subset and U a subspace. You're asking about V being "S invariant". I don't think this concept makes sense. But suppose that T:V→V is linear. Now U is said to be invariant under T (or an invariant subspace of T) if Tx is in U for all x in U. If G is a group of linear operators, U is said to be invariant under G if U is invariant under T for all T in G.
 
So what your saying is if you operate on some vector x contained in your subspace V by the linear operator T and the resulting transformed vector is Tx is contained or spanned by the subspace V you have a T invariant subspace? As long as the transformation applied to all vectors contained in subspace V has that property that means your subspace V is T invariant? So is putting this in my own words, is this what you're saying? I'm not so accustomed to using such notation and descriptor words, that's why it's easy for me to get confused. Is this definition right?
 
sol66 said:
So what your saying is if you operate on some vector x contained in your subspace V by the linear operator T and the resulting transformed vector is Tx is contained or spanned by the subspace V you have a T invariant subspace?
It needs to be for all x. As you stated next.
sol66 said:
As long as the transformation applied to all vectors contained in subspace V has that property that means your subspace V is T invariant?
Right so [tex]T(V) \subseteq V[/tex], then V is T invariant.
 
Hey thanks for the help
 
A good example is a rotation around the z axis (in 3-dimensional space). The z axis is the only 1-dimensional invariant subspace, and the xy plane is the only 2-dimensional invariant subspace.
 
In other words given that your z axis only acts like a z operator/obsevable, the subspace on the z axis is z invariant. While the xy plane has the x and y operator spanning it become x and y invariant? That makes sens.
 

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