Inverse Jacobian: Proving the Identity & Its Name

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The discussion centers around the identity involving the Jacobian and its inverse in the context of differentiable functions relating multiple variables. Participants explore the validity of the identity and seek elegant proofs, while also discussing the implications of the Jacobian in various mathematical contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the identity involving the Jacobian and its inverse, questioning its general validity and seeking better proofs than those they have.
  • Another participant suggests that if the Jacobian is non-zero, the inverse exists and relates to volume change, hinting at a connection to tensor analysis.
  • A participant expresses unfamiliarity with tensors, indicating that a tensor-based proof may be challenging for them to grasp.
  • Concerns are raised about the notation and the validity of substituting functions between different variable sets, specifically regarding the function f(x,y,z) and f(p,q,r).
  • One participant asserts that the identity is true in general, claiming it follows from the chain rule in several variables, and suggests looking for proofs in coordinate-free forms.

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There is no consensus on the proofs or the best approach to understanding the identity. Some participants agree on the identity's validity, while others express confusion and uncertainty about the implications and notations involved.

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Participants mention the need for clarity in notation and the potential complexity of proofs involving tensors. There is also a discussion about the assumptions underlying the identity and its application in different contexts.

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Hi all,

When there are two variables x, and p related via any differentiable function, we have the following identity:

[itex]\frac{dx}{dp}\frac{dp}{dx}=1[/itex]

When it comes to partial derivatives we can NOT say [itex]\frac{\partial x}{ \partial t}\frac{\partial t}{\partial x}=1[/itex] . However I have seen the following identity which seems to be the generalization of the above identity for variables (x,y,z) and (p,q,r):

\begin{equation}
\left( \begin{array}{ccc}
\frac{\partial x}{ \partial p} & \frac{\partial y}{ \partial p} & \frac{\partial z}{ \partial p}\\
\frac{\partial x}{ \partial q} & \frac{\partial y}{ \partial q} & \frac{\partial z}{ \partial q}\\
\frac{\partial x}{ \partial r} & \frac{\partial y}{ \partial r} & \frac{\partial z}{ \partial r}\end{array} \right)
\left( \begin{array}{ccc}
\frac{\partial p}{ \partial x} & \frac{\partial q}{ \partial x} & \frac{\partial r}{ \partial x}\\
\frac{\partial p}{ \partial y} & \frac{\partial q}{ \partial y} & \frac{\partial r}{ \partial y}\\
\frac{\partial p}{ \partial z} & \frac{\partial q}{ \partial z} & \frac{\partial r}{ \partial z}\end{array} \right)=
\left( \begin{array}{ccc}
1 & 0 & 0\\
0 & 1 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 1\end{array} \right)
\end{equation}

Is the above identity true in general? If so, does anyone know of an elegant proof for that? I have two proofs but they I am looking for better ones. One mentions a function f(p,q,r) for the proof which I think it is unnecessary and also confusing, Another proof ( my own) is that we write

[itex]\frac{\partial p}{\partial p}=1 \rightarrow \frac{\partial p}{\partial x}\frac{\partial x}{\partial p}+\frac{\partial p}{\partial y}\frac{\partial y}{\partial p}+\frac{\partial p}{\partial z}\frac{\partial z}{\partial p}=1[/itex]

[itex]\frac{\partial p}{\partial q}=0 \rightarrow \frac{\partial p}{\partial x}\frac{\partial x}{\partial q}+\frac{\partial p}{\partial y}\frac{\partial y}{\partial q}+\frac{\partial p}{\partial z}\frac{\partial z}{\partial q}=0[/itex]

and so on. From nine equations we can get the identity but the proof is insulting!

I would be grateful if you share a better proof.

P.S. The left matrix is called the jacubian. Does the other matrix, which in fact is the inverse if jacubian, have a particular name?
 
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Hey Hassan2.

If the Jacobian is indeed non-zero then the inverse will exist and relate to volume change for the inverse situation just as you have conjectured.

Are you familiar with tensors at all?
 
Thanks for the reply.

I'm afraid I'm alien to tensors. A proof based on tensors might be difficult for me to understand.
 
Here is my confusion about the other proof. Say we have
[itex]f(x,y,z)[/itex]
then we have
\begin{equation}
\left( \begin{array}{ccc}
\frac{\partial f}{ \partial p} \\
\frac{\partial f}{ \partial q} \\
\frac{\partial f}{ \partial r}\end{array} \right)=

\left( \begin{array}{ccc}
\frac{\partial x}{ \partial p} & \frac{\partial y}{ \partial p} & \frac{\partial z}{ \partial p}\\
\frac{\partial x}{ \partial q} & \frac{\partial y}{ \partial q} & \frac{\partial z}{ \partial q}\\
\frac{\partial x}{ \partial r} & \frac{\partial y}{ \partial r} & \frac{\partial z}{ \partial r}\end{array} \right)
\left( \begin{array}{ccc}
\frac{\partial f}{ \partial x} \\
\frac{\partial f}{ \partial y} \\
\frac{\partial f}{ \partial z}\end{array} \right)
\end{equation}on the other hand, it says we have
\begin{equation}
\left( \begin{array}{ccc}
\frac{\partial f}{ \partial x} \\
\frac{\partial f}{ \partial y} \\
\frac{\partial f}{ \partial z}\end{array} \right)=

\left( \begin{array}{ccc}
\frac{\partial p}{ \partial x} & \frac{\partial q}{ \partial x} & \frac{\partial r}{ \partial x}\\
\frac{\partial p}{ \partial y} & \frac{\partial q}{ \partial y} & \frac{\partial r}{ \partial y}\\
\frac{\partial p}{ \partial z} & \frac{\partial q}{ \partial z} & \frac{\partial r}{ \partial z}\end{array} \right)
\left( \begin{array}{ccc}
\frac{\partial f}{ \partial p} \\
\frac{\partial f}{ \partial q} \\
\frac{\partial f}{ \partial r}\end{array} \right)
\end{equation}

Although it makes sense but I'm unsure about the notations. I doubt we can replace f(x,y,z) with f(p,q,r).
 
Yes, this identity is true in general, it follows immediately from the chain rule in several variables. The proof of the chain rule in several variables is quite simple, if one does it in the coordinate-free form (this is the way it is done in most analysis, but not calculus, textbooks)

You can look for example here
http://www.trillia.com/zakon-analysisII.html
 

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