Inverse Laplace Transform of s2-5/s3+4s2+3s

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The discussion revolves around finding the inverse Laplace transform of rational functions, specifically focusing on expressions like (s^2 - 5) / (s^3 + 4s^2 + 3s) and (3s) / (s + 1)^4. Participants are exploring methods for simplifying the expressions and applying techniques such as partial fraction decomposition.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss factoring the denominator and using partial fractions to simplify the expressions. There is an attempt to factor the first expression and a mention of completing the square, though it is noted that these methods did not lead to a solution. Another participant suggests using additional values to create equations for coefficients in the second problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various approaches to the problems, with some participants expressing uncertainty about their methods. There is acknowledgment of the complexity involved in finding coefficients for partial fractions, and suggestions for further exploration of values to solve for these coefficients have been made. No explicit consensus has been reached, but participants are engaging with the problems constructively.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of homework assignments, which may limit the resources they can use. There is a sense of frustration expressed regarding the difficulty of the problems, particularly in finding coefficients for partial fractions.

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Homework Statement



s2-5 / s3+4s2+3s


Homework Equations



find the inverse laplace transform


The Attempt at a Solution


for the denominator, it can be factored out to s(s+3)(s+1) or one could complete the square and thus the denominator would be s(s+2)2-1. neither of this help in finding the laplace transform
 
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Factor it into s(s+3)(s+1), then split into partial fractions.
 
haha, thanks. just as i received your post, i actually figured it out. but thank you for taking the time to look at my problem
 
another problem

1. Homework Statement
3s / (s+1)4


2. Homework Equations
find the inverse laplace


3. The Attempt at a Solution
i used partial fractions to split it up into A/(s+1) + B/(s+1)2 +c/(s+1)3 +D/(s+1)4

which in turn gives me A(s+1)3 + B(s+1)2 + C(s+1) + D = 3s
i plugged in s=-1 to get D=-3, i don't know how to find A, B or C (sad i know) maybe its just a late night and my brain isn't working well because i can't seem to figure it out
 
drsmoothe2004 said:
another problem

1. Homework Statement
3s / (s+1)4


2. Homework Equations
find the inverse laplace


3. The Attempt at a Solution
i used partial fractions to split it up into A/(s+1) + B/(s+1)2 +c/(s+1)3 +D/(s+1)4

which in turn gives me A(s+1)3 + B(s+1)2 + C(s+1) + D = 3s
i plugged in s=-1 to get D=-3, i don't know how to find A, B or C (sad i know) maybe its just a late night and my brain isn't working well because i can't seem to figure it out

As long as you have distinct first order factors, you can put in a single value for x and immediately reduce to one coefficient. With powers or irreducible quadratics, its not so trival but still not hard.

Probably easiest: put in 3 more values for s, say s= 0, s= 1, and s= 2, to get 3 linear equations in A, B, C. They won't reduce to three separated equations but still you can solve them.

Harder: go ahead and multiply everything out: [itex]A(s^3+ 3s^2+ 3s+ 1)+ B(s^2+ 2s+ 1)+ C(s+ 1)- 3[/itex][itex]= As^3+ 3As^2+ 3As+ A+ Bs^2+ 2Bs+ B+ Cs+ C- 3= 3s[/itex].

Now combine "like terms" to get 3 equations for A, B, and C.
 
3s = 3(s+1) - 3
 
Count Iblis said:
3s = 3(s+1) - 3

Yes, it looks like a shifting property would be the best to tackle this problem.
 

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