Inverse Laplace : with Convolution

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The discussion focuses on obtaining the inverse Laplace transform of the function F(s) = e-3s * ((3s + 15)/(s2 + 25)) using the convolution property. Participants highlight errors in the original poster's approach, particularly the misuse of the variable 's' and the need for proper notation to distinguish between multiplication and convolution. The correct application of the Laplace transform tables reveals that 3*(s/(s2 + 52)) corresponds to 3*cos(5*t) and 15*(1/(s2 + 52)) corresponds to 3*sin(5*t). The discussion emphasizes the importance of clarity in mathematical expressions.

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Homework Statement


Use the convolution property to obtain the inverse Laplace transform of
F(s)= e-3s * ((3s+15)/s2+25)

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


= (3*(s/s2+52) + 15*(1/s2+52)) *e-3s

Using table of Laplace:
3*(s/s2+52) = 3*cos(5*t) = T7
15*(1/s2+52) = 15/5*sin(5*t) =T18
e-3s = s(t-a) = s(t-3) (T16)

=(3*cos(5*t)+15/5*sin(5*t))*s(t-3)

Convolution : int 0 to t (f(u)*g(t-u))du
integral 0 to t ((3*cos(5*u)+15/5*sin(5*u))*s((t-u)-3)) du

Something is wrong in my work here, and I can't find where. :([/SUP]
 
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masterchiefo said:

Homework Statement


Use the convolution property to obtain the inverse Laplace transform of
F(s)= e-3s * ((3s+15)/s2+25)

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


= (3*(s/s2+52) + 15*(1/s2+52)) *e-3s

Using table of Laplace:
3*(s/s2+52) = 3*cos(5*t) = T7
15*(1/s2+52) = 15/5*sin(5*t) =T18
e-3s = s(t-a) = s(t-3) (T16)

None of the above equalities are true; you have functions of s "equal" to functions of t.

=(3*cos(5*t)+15/5*sin(5*t))*s(t-3)

Convolution : int 0 to t (f(u)*g(t-u))du
integral 0 to t ((3*cos(5*u)+15/5*sin(5*u))*s((t-u)-3)) du

Something is wrong in my work here, and I can't find where. :([/SUP]
And you are apparently using s for two different things. With 156 posts, it is past time for you to learn to use latex. It isn't worth the effort to decipher what you have written.
 
masterchiefo said:

Homework Statement


Use the convolution property to obtain the inverse Laplace transform of
F(s)= e-3s * ((3s+15)/s2+25)
Is the asterisk supposed to denote multiplication or convolution?

You need to use parentheses as appropriate. Assuming the asterisk is supposed to be multiplication, what you wrote means
$$F(s) = e^{-3s}\left(\frac 3s + \frac{15}{s^2} + 25\right),$$ which is quite different from what you intended.

Using table of Laplace:
3*(s/s2+52) = 3*cos(5*t) = T7
15*(1/s2+52) = 15/5*sin(5*t) =T18
e-3s = s(t-a) = s(t-3) (T16)

=(3*cos(5*t)+15/5*sin(5*t))*s(t-3)
Is there some reason you're not simplifying 15/5?

Convolution : int 0 to t (f(u)*g(t-u))du
integral 0 to t ((3*cos(5*u)+15/5*sin(5*u))*s((t-u)-3)) du

Something is wrong in my work here, and I can't find where. :([/SUP]
Why do you think something's wrong?

Besides the problems LCKurtz pointed out with what you've written, did you notice that when you wrote "=(3*cos(5*t)+15/5*sin(5*t))*s(t-3)," you never said what it was equal to and that you're using * to mean both multiplication and convolution? You should make an effort to be less sloppy, especially when you're trying to communicate with others.
 

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