Inverse Laplace Transforms without Prefix

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The discussion revolves around finding the inverse Laplace transforms of two rational functions involving polynomials. The subject area includes partial fraction decomposition and inverse Laplace transforms.

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  • Participants discuss the need to break down the given rational functions into partial fractions. There are attempts to clarify the correct form of the expressions and to derive the inverse transforms.

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Some participants have provided guidance on how to set up the partial fractions for both problems. There is ongoing exploration of the correct interpretation of the expressions and the steps needed to reach the inverse transforms.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the notation used in the expressions, which may affect the interpretation of the problems. Participants are also grappling with the transition between exponential and hyperbolic functions in their answers.

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Homework Statement


find the partial fractions and thus the inverse of the following
6s^2-2s-11/(s-1)(s^2-1)

and

7s^2+8s+16/(s+2)(s^2+3)


Homework Equations



answer tutor gave for the fist one was 3e^2t + 3cosht + sinht
and second was 4e^-2t+3cos sqrt3t+ 2/sqrt3 sin sqrt3

The Attempt at a Solution




skipping a few steps for the first inverse transform i factored (s^2-1) to (s+1)(s-1) and got the following partial fractions

6s^2-2s-11=a/(s-2) + b/(s+1)(s-1) +c(s^2-1) and eventually was able to derive the 3e^-2t but struggled to get the other values

i didn't really no where to star with the 2nd one

please help
 
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wozzers said:

Homework Statement


find the partial fractions and thus the inverse of the following
6s^2-2s-11/(s-1)(s^2-1)

and

7s^2+8s+16/(s+2)(s^2+3)


Homework Equations



answer tutor gave for the fist one was 3e^2t + 3cosht + sinht
and second was 4e^-2t+3cos sqrt3t+ 2/sqrt3 sin sqrt3

The Attempt at a Solution




skipping a few steps for the first inverse transform i factored (s^2-1) to (s+1)(s-1) and got the following partial fractions

6s^2-2s-11=a/(s-2) + b/(s+1)(s-1) +c(s^2-1) and eventually was able to derive the 3e^-2t but struggled to get the other values

i didn't really no where to star with the 2nd one

please help

The first one you should break into$$
\frac A {s+1} + \frac B {s-2} + \frac C {(s-1)^2}$$
The second would be like this:$$
\frac A {s+2} +\frac{Bs+C}{s^2+3}$$
 
LCKurtz said:
The first one you should break into$$
\frac A {s+1} + \frac B {s-2} + \frac C {(s-1)^2}$$
The second would be like this:$$
\frac A {s+2} +\frac{Bs+C}{s^2+3}$$

i put in the wrong transform for the first one it is 6s^2-2s-11/(s-2)(s^2-1)
 
wozzers said:
i put in the wrong transform for the first one it is 6s^2-2s-11/(s-2)(s^2-1)

So factor the rest of the way to 3 linear factors in the denominator.
 
wozzers said:

Homework Statement


find the partial fractions and thus the inverse of the following
6s^2-2s-11/(s-1)(s^2-1)

and

7s^2+8s+16/(s+2)(s^2+3)


Homework Equations



answer tutor gave for the fist one was 3e^2t + 3cosht + sinht
and second was 4e^-2t+3cos sqrt3t+ 2/sqrt3 sin sqrt3

The Attempt at a Solution




skipping a few steps for the first inverse transform i factored (s^2-1) to (s+1)(s-1) and got the following partial fractions

6s^2-2s-11=a/(s-2) + b/(s+1)(s-1) +c(s^2-1) and eventually was able to derive the 3e^-2t but struggled to get the other values

i didn't really no where to star with the 2nd one

please help

For the first one: what you have written--when read using standard priority rules--is
6s^2 - 2s - \frac{11}{(s-1)(s^2-1)}, \text{ or possibly }<br /> 6s^2 - 2s - \frac{11}{s-1} (s^2-1), depending on whether you interpret a/bc as a/(bc) or as (a/b)c. (Some computer algebra systems may use one interpretation, and some may use the other.) However, possibly you really meant
\frac{6s^2 - 2s - 11}{(s-1)(s^2-1)}. To make thing clear, please use brackets, like this: (6s^2 - 2s - 11)/[(s-1)(s^2-1)].

RGV
 
{6s^2 - 2s - 11}/(s-2)(s^2-1)}. the problem i have is breaking it down to its partial fractions
 
wozzers said:
{6s^2 - 2s - 11}/(s-2)(s^2-1)}. the problem i have is breaking it down to its partial fractions

$$\frac {6s^2-2s-11}{(s-2)(s+1)(s-1)}=\frac A {s-2}+\frac B {s+1}+\frac C {s-1}$$
 
yes i thought that was the way but i just don't seem to get the answer my tutor has given i can get one of the numbers the 3e^2t but i can't find 3cosht and 4sinht
 
wozzers said:
yes i thought that was the way but i just don't seem to get the answer my tutor has given i can get one of the numbers the 3e^2t but i can't find 3cosht and 4sinht

Remember that if you are getting answers with ##e^t## and ##e^{-t}##, you answers may be equivalent to answers in terms of ##\cosh t## and ##\sinh t##.
 

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