Inverse of Curl Operator: A as a Function of B?

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The discussion centers on the mathematical problem of expressing a vector field A as a function of another vector field B through the curl operator, specifically investigating the existence and uniqueness of solutions to the equation curl{A} = B. The scope includes theoretical aspects of vector calculus and the properties of vector potentials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to express A as a function of B and questions the existence of the inverse of the curl operator.
  • Another participant identifies the concept of vector potential as relevant to the discussion.
  • It is noted that there is no unique solution for A, as adding a vector field with zero curl to a solution yields another valid solution.
  • A mathematical formulation of the curl operator is provided, detailing how to derive A from B through a system of partial differential equations.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of understanding the existence of vector potentials rather than just their uniqueness, prompting a discussion on conditions under which A exists given B.
  • A later post presents an integral formulation for A based on B, suggesting that if the divergence of B is zero, then the curl of A equals B, while also noting the non-uniqueness of A.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the non-uniqueness of solutions for A given B, but the discussion remains unresolved regarding the existence of such solutions under specific conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the concept of "constants of integration" in the context of partial differential equations, indicating that functions of other variables may affect the solutions. The discussion does not resolve the conditions necessary for the existence of vector potentials.

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I want to express A as a function of B in the following equation:

curl{A}=B

So I need the inverse of the curl operator, but I don't know if it exist.

Thanks.
 
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It's called vector potential
 
There is no unique solution for A. You can always add a vector field of zero curl to one solution and get another solution.
 
If A= f(x,y,z)i+ g(x,y,z)j+ h(x,y,z)k then curl A = (h_y- g_z)i+ (f_z- h_x)j+ (g_x- f_y)k.

If you are given that curl A= B= p(x,y,z)i+ q(x,y,z)j+ r(x, y, z)k then you must solve the system of equation h_y- g_z= p, f_z- h_x= q, g_x- f_y= r.

Since those are partial differential equations, the "constants of integration" will be functions of x, y, z. That is why, as RedBelly98 says, "You can always add a vector field of zero curl".
 
Note that this non-uniqueness is not something that is a strange facet by the vector potential only.

You know of it from before, as the so-called "constant of integration".
When doing partials, functions of the other variables will be "constants" with respect to that variable you have differentiated with respect to.


A far more important question, though, is, not uniqueness vs. non-uniqueness, but existence vs. non-existence of the vector potential(s)!

Do you know, given B, how to be certain that at least one "A" exists?
 
ikaal said:
I want to express A as a function of B in the following equation:

curl{A}=B

So I need the inverse of the curl operator, but I don't know if it exist.

Thanks.
Consider the vector field defined by:

\mathbf{A}(\mathbf{x}) = \int_0^1 \mathbf{B}(\lambda \mathbf{x}) \wedge (\lambda\mathbf{x})\, \mathrm{d}\lambda.

You might like to show that if \nabla\cdot\mathbf{B}=0, then \nabla \wedge \mathbf{A} = \mathbf{B}. Obviously this \mathbf{A} is not unique.
 

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