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News Iranian speedboats threaten US ships.

  1. Jan 7, 2008 #1
    These boys in the speedboats just about got themselves lit up:

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,320587,00.html"

    I believe the US showed a fair bit of constraint in this situation. It looks to me like they had the right to take out those speedboats but didn't. What would have been the repercuttion had they either side fired?
     
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  3. Jan 7, 2008 #2

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    The US is in a position where even justafiable action will have negative repercussions, so it is probably good that nothing happened. For a nation already considered a rogue that has no respect for human life, there really is no downside to messing with the bull. This isn't the first time the Iranian's have risked being lit up and won't be the last.
     
  4. Jan 7, 2008 #3

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    They (Iranians) were just asking for directions to the Gulf of Tonkin.
     
  5. Jan 7, 2008 #4
    :rofl: Thats hilarious!

    Reading the story, I would have sunk those boats w/o hesistation.
     
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  6. Jan 7, 2008 #5

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    Funny typo. I think you meant "restraint". Or maybe not.... :rolleyes: "Constraint" is applicable in a way too, unfortunately.
     
  7. Jan 7, 2008 #6
    You are right, I meant restraint.

    I too would have sunk those boats. They had transmitted to the US ships something along the lines of, "prepare to explode", as they were rushing towards the ships. Wacky. They were probably trying to draw fire and create a "situation".
     
  8. Jan 7, 2008 #7
    I think there would be a huge downside for the Iran Revolutionary Guard if they attacked an American ship. I think the leaders of the organization would at least be put on assassination lists and it would be used as an object of justification for forceful regime change. I would expect at least a few buildings would be blown up as well.

    btw, what does considering Iran to be a rogue nation and having no respect for human life have to do with the down sides of attacking American ships?
     
  9. Jan 7, 2008 #8
    the speed boats might have been referring to being exploded on, as in shot at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:BB61_USS_Iowa_BB61_broadside_USN.jpg . what would go a long way in making judgment would be an audio recording of the radio transmissions. if the IRG was conducting some sort of military exercise and didn't speak english, this would take on a different light in my view
     
  10. Jan 7, 2008 #9

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    from the link in the OP:
    But you're correct, it would be good to hear the audio recording of the radio traffic. Hopefully the Navy will post that up soon.
     
  11. Jan 7, 2008 #10
    This is the biggest load of **** I read today. Their argument only makes any sense if you first assume that the USA owns the world. The US navy ships are in Iran's version of Chesapeake Bay, & the Americans are the ones who are complaining!? **** em!
     
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  12. Jan 7, 2008 #11
    i dont know where they would release something like that though. would the US navy give a recording to FOX who would put it up as a follow-up to this story?
     
  13. Jan 7, 2008 #12

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    I think its kinda of cute, and I intend to use 'prepare to explode' in all of my harder fought future discussions. Indeed, PF should add a 'prepare to explode' Smilie to the editor.
     
  14. Jan 7, 2008 #13

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    Fourier, Jr:
     
  15. Jan 7, 2008 #14

    russ_watters

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    I don't follow. What would cause those negative repercussions?
    The fact that Iran is already considered a rogue nation means that behaving like a rogue nation won't reduce their status.
     
  16. Jan 7, 2008 #15

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    Not correct. The Chesapeake Bay is inland. The Persian Gulf is only bordered by Iran on one side. Iran doesn't own it. The incident took place in international waters.
     
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  17. Jan 7, 2008 #16
    Well, im Iranian, and even to my ears what you said sounds like a load of crap. Hah...

    Right, speed boats can run up to a war ship in international waters, but big bad uncle sam owns the world. Oh, brother. I would have sunk those speed boats to the bottom of the caspian sea.
     
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  18. Jan 7, 2008 #17
    That is correct. This can only be considered "news" if one takes for granted that the US owns the world. The US complaining about being harassed (assuming the US media/government's appraisal of the incident is accurate) by Iranians off the coast of Iran is like the US complaining about Iran supporting militants in Iraq. One has to take for granted that the US owns the world, otherwise there would be nothing to complain about. What would the reaction be in Washington be if Iran had been threatening the US for years & then sent their navy ships past the east coast?
     
  19. Jan 7, 2008 #18
    Like I said, I'd have sunk em.
     
  20. Jan 7, 2008 #19
    Iran can send their ships anywhere they want to in international waters. Soviets used to fly very close to the US in international airspace and were escorted by F-4 phantoms.

    What are you getting at fourier jr. Is the US not allowed to sail in international waters now?
     
  21. Jan 7, 2008 #20
    The point is, speedboats with machine guns mounted on them speeding toward a warship unannounced in international waters is seen by any reasonable person as a threatening act, if not utterly stupid. Any of those ships would have surely blown the speedboats out of the water had they continued their course close enough that they might cause damage. And they would have been completely justified.

    The US ships would use something like what we see here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuafaALL4l4"

    It would be messy.
     
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  22. Jan 7, 2008 #21
    Mr Fourier, We (the US) were not "complaining" I think the Officers were being very calm and showed restraint as to not blowing them out of the water ,which could have happend within seconds ,by the way. We obviously didnt want to create an international crises, but would have done anything to protect our sailors in INTERNATIONAL waters.
    Now that being said the Russian military has been maneuvering off the american coast in submarines and ships for years. Look If you want IRAN or any other Radical Terrorist Supporting Regime to have nuclear weapons that is your purogative. Thank god you live in Canada, we have enough Liberal anti americans here. Now how many countries in all the world wars have the USA actually taken over, and kept. The only land we have ever asked for was to bury our dead. Also its a known fact that Islamic terrorist want to turn the world into a muslim world and will not stop until they succeed or are dead, so be careful what you wish for or what side you are on. its just a matter of time.
     
  23. Jan 7, 2008 #22

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    That's just rediculous. Both are illegal actions by Iran!
    Iran is more than welcome to operate their ships in international waters off the coast of the US. As others pointed out, many countries do (and the US operates peacefully off the coast of many of our adversaries). The US does not overtly threaten ships in international waters.

    You guys are acting pretty irrational here. This is a clear-cut situation.
     
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  24. Jan 7, 2008 #23

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    Legally, the American ships would have been perfectly justified in doing so. But as you can see, even doing nothing while Iran's navy does illegal things produces a negative reaction against the US! The absurdity is overwhealming.
     
  25. Jan 7, 2008 #24

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    I've got some great vids from my time in the Navy I should post on YouTube. Lots of gun shoots, missile firings, and I even edited and set a bunch of flyovers to music.
     
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  26. Jan 7, 2008 #25
    'what would cause those negative repercussions?'- if a US navy ship was attacked, it would have drawn a violent reaction to iran.

    'The fact that Iran is already considered a rogue nation means that behaving like a rogue nation won't reduce their status'- i dont know what protections you envision "rogue nation" status offers iran while attacking an american ship in international waters, but i dont think it offers any. attacking a US ship would also draw a lot of scorn from china and the rest of the international community whom would be pressured to withdraw support and protection from a violently assertive nation.
     
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