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Iranian speedboats threaten US ships.

  1. Jan 7, 2008 #1
    These boys in the speedboats just about got themselves lit up:

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,320587,00.html

    I believe the US showed a fair bit of constraint in this situation. It looks to me like they had the right to take out those speedboats but didn't. What would have been the repercuttion had they either side fired?
     
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  3. Jan 7, 2008 #2

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    The US is in a position where even justafiable action will have negative repercussions, so it is probably good that nothing happened. For a nation already considered a rogue that has no respect for human life, there really is no downside to messing with the bull. This isn't the first time the Iranian's have risked being lit up and won't be the last.
     
  4. Jan 7, 2008 #3

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    They (Iranians) were just asking for directions to the Gulf of Tonkin.
     
  5. Jan 7, 2008 #4
    :rofl: Thats hilarious!

    Reading the story, I would have sunk those boats w/o hesistation.
     
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  6. Jan 7, 2008 #5

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    Funny typo. I think you meant "restraint". Or maybe not.... :rolleyes: "Constraint" is applicable in a way too, unfortunately.
     
  7. Jan 7, 2008 #6
    You are right, I meant restraint.

    I too would have sunk those boats. They had transmitted to the US ships something along the lines of, "prepare to explode", as they were rushing towards the ships. Wacky. They were probably trying to draw fire and create a "situation".
     
  8. Jan 7, 2008 #7
    I think there would be a huge downside for the Iran Revolutionary Guard if they attacked an American ship. I think the leaders of the organization would at least be put on assassination lists and it would be used as an object of justification for forceful regime change. I would expect at least a few buildings would be blown up as well.

    btw, what does considering Iran to be a rogue nation and having no respect for human life have to do with the down sides of attacking American ships?
     
  9. Jan 7, 2008 #8
    the speed boats might have been referring to being exploded on, as in shot at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:BB61_USS_Iowa_BB61_broadside_USN.jpg . what would go a long way in making judgment would be an audio recording of the radio transmissions. if the IRG was conducting some sort of military exercise and didn't speak english, this would take on a different light in my view
     
  10. Jan 7, 2008 #9

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    from the link in the OP:
    But you're correct, it would be good to hear the audio recording of the radio traffic. Hopefully the Navy will post that up soon.
     
  11. Jan 7, 2008 #10
    This is the biggest load of **** I read today. Their argument only makes any sense if you first assume that the USA owns the world. The US navy ships are in Iran's version of Chesapeake Bay, & the Americans are the ones who are complaining!? **** em!
     
  12. Jan 7, 2008 #11
    i dont know where they would release something like that though. would the US navy give a recording to FOX who would put it up as a follow-up to this story?
     
  13. Jan 7, 2008 #12

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    I think its kinda of cute, and I intend to use 'prepare to explode' in all of my harder fought future discussions. Indeed, PF should add a 'prepare to explode' Smilie to the editor.
     
  14. Jan 7, 2008 #13

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    Fourier, Jr:
     
  15. Jan 7, 2008 #14

    russ_watters

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    I don't follow. What would cause those negative repercussions?
    The fact that Iran is already considered a rogue nation means that behaving like a rogue nation won't reduce their status.
     
  16. Jan 7, 2008 #15

    russ_watters

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    Not correct. The Chesapeake Bay is inland. The Persian Gulf is only bordered by Iran on one side. Iran doesn't own it. The incident took place in international waters.
     
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  17. Jan 7, 2008 #16
    Well, im Iranian, and even to my ears what you said sounds like a load of crap. Hah...

    Right, speed boats can run up to a war ship in international waters, but big bad uncle sam owns the world. Oh, brother. I would have sunk those speed boats to the bottom of the caspian sea.
     
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  18. Jan 7, 2008 #17
    That is correct. This can only be considered "news" if one takes for granted that the US owns the world. The US complaining about being harassed (assuming the US media/government's appraisal of the incident is accurate) by Iranians off the coast of Iran is like the US complaining about Iran supporting militants in Iraq. One has to take for granted that the US owns the world, otherwise there would be nothing to complain about. What would the reaction be in Washington be if Iran had been threatening the US for years & then sent their navy ships past the east coast?
     
  19. Jan 7, 2008 #18
    Like I said, I'd have sunk em.
     
  20. Jan 7, 2008 #19
    Iran can send their ships anywhere they want to in international waters. Soviets used to fly very close to the US in international airspace and were escorted by F-4 phantoms.

    What are you getting at fourier jr. Is the US not allowed to sail in international waters now?
     
  21. Jan 7, 2008 #20
    The point is, speedboats with machine guns mounted on them speeding toward a warship unannounced in international waters is seen by any reasonable person as a threatening act, if not utterly stupid. Any of those ships would have surely blown the speedboats out of the water had they continued their course close enough that they might cause damage. And they would have been completely justified.

    The US ships would use something like what we see here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuafaALL4l4

    It would be messy.
     
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