Is ∫(1/(x²+25))dx² Correctly Evaluated as log(x²+25)?

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of the integral ∫(1/(x²+25))dx² and whether it can be correctly simplified to log(x²+25). Participants explore the implications of differentials and substitutions in the context of integration, particularly focusing on the variable of integration and the nature of the functions involved.

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  • One participant suggests that substituting x² for y leads to the conclusion that the integral evaluates to log(x²+25).
  • Another participant clarifies that if the integral is written as ∫d(x²)(1/(x²+25)), the substitution is valid since the differential includes x².
  • A third participant explains that if the integral were ∫dx(1/(x²+25)), the substitution would require careful handling of the differential, noting the need to split the integral for definite limits due to the square root.
  • One participant provides a derivation showing that using the substitution u = x² + 25 leads to the integral ∫(1/u)du, resulting in ln(x² + 25) + C.
  • Another participant expresses curiosity about the validity of performing integration and differentiation with respect to curves, indicating a desire for clarification on the topic.
  • A later reply discusses the concept of integrating a function with respect to another function, mentioning the Riemann and Stieltjes integrals and their conditions.

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Participants express differing views on the evaluation of the integral and the appropriateness of substitutions. There is no consensus reached on the matter, as various interpretations and methods are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of the differential in the context of substitution and integration, noting that the nature of the function being integrated affects the approach taken. There are unresolved questions regarding the application of these methods to curves versus straight lines.

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My friends were discussing about this problem (which they made up themselves).
∫\frac{1}{x^{2}+25}dx^{2}
They were substituting x^2 for y (x^{2}=y) and thus the answer would come to be log(y+25)
that is log(x^{2}+25)

I don't think this is the case , i guess that we would be differentiating wrt a 2nd degree curve like a parabola in case of this problem .

Would you people point out what's the real thing.:confused:
 
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If the integral is really as you wrote it,

\int d(x^2) \frac{1}{x^2+25},

then you are free to set y = x^2, as in this case your differential is d(x^2), and it already contains the x^2 so you are free to make the substitution.

If the integral were

\int dx \frac{1}{x^2+25},

then you can of course still substitute y = x^2, but then the differential term is different: dx \rightarrow dy/(2x) = dy/(\pm 2\sqrt{y}). Note that if this were a definite integral were the limits went from some negative value to a positive one, you would have to split the integral into two pieces, one from the negative value to 0 and one from 0 to the positive value, and then make the substitution, as you need to choose a sign for the square root and it's different for x > 0 and x < 0.
 
In general, if g(x) is a differentiable function, then dg(x)= g'(x)dx.

d(x^2)= 2xdx so
\int\frac{1}{x^2+ 25}d(x^2)= \int\frac{2x}{x^2+ 25}dx

Now, if you let u= x^2+ 25, du= 2xdx and the integral becomes
\int\frac{du}{u}= ln(u)+ C= ln(x^2+ 25)+ C
just as before.

That really is the case.
 
Thanks for the replies :smile:. My teacher also did the same substitution process when i asked him about this.

These integrations and differentiations are done in with respect to the x-coordinate which is a straight line .
I was wondering if we could carry out these operations with respect to curves as well like the x^{2}.

Sorry if this is absurd, but i would be glad if i was clarified .
 
Yes, you integrate a function f(x) with respect to another function g(x). You are, in effect, "changing the scale". For the Riemann integral, such a function, g, would have to be differentiable and, as I said before, \int f(x)dg(x)= \int f(x)g&#039;(x)dx[/tex]. For the Stieljes integral, g does not have to differentiable, only increasing.
 

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