Is 2^n a Divisor of Binomial Coefficient B(2^n, m)?

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The discussion revolves around the divisibility of the binomial coefficient B(2^n, m) by 2^n, where n is a positive integer and m is an odd integer such that 1 <= m < 2^n. Participants explore various approaches to prove or counter this proposition, including induction and prime factor analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose using induction on m, starting with the base case B(2^n, 1), to analyze the power of 2 in the prime factorizations of the relevant factorials.
  • Others suggest that the power of 2 in the numerator of B(2^n, m) is 2^n - 1, while the power in the denominator is 2^n - n - 1, leading to the conclusion that B(2^n, m) is divisible by 2^n.
  • A participant discusses the equivalence of the proposition to counting factors in sequences related to m and 2^n, emphasizing the importance of m being odd.
  • Some participants challenge the assumption that primes other than 2 need to be considered, focusing instead on counting the number of 2's in the relevant products.
  • In a separate line of discussion, participants analyze the conditions under which p divides B(p, n) for all n, noting that this holds if and only if p is prime, and explore counterexamples for composite p.
  • One participant attempts to construct a proof by assuming p is composite and analyzing the divisibility of B(p, q) where q is a prime factor of p.
  • Another participant questions the logical consistency of a previous argument, suggesting that the reasoning may not support the conclusion drawn.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the divisibility of B(2^n, m) by 2^n, with no consensus reached. Similarly, the discussion on the conditions for p dividing B(p, n) also reveals competing perspectives, particularly regarding the implications of composite numbers.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments rely on counting specific factors in sequences and factorials, which may depend on the definitions and assumptions made about m and n. The discussions also highlight the complexity of proving divisibility in binomial coefficients, particularly when considering odd integers and prime factors.

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I am trying to prove (or find a counterexample for) this:

Let n be any positive integer, and m any odd integer, with 1 <= m < 2^n. Also, let B(x,y) denote the binomial coefficient, x! /( y! ( x - y )! ). Then

2^n | B( 2^n , m ).

Any help is welcome.
 
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For a fixed n, try induction on m. For the base case B(2^n,1) , you need to be able to count the power of 2 in the prime factorizations of (2^n)! and (2^n-1)!.

Once you've done that, if it's true for B(2^n,m) consider B(2^n,m+2). Can you relate the number of 2's appearing in m!(2^n-m)! to the number of 2's in (m+2)!(2^n-(m+2))! ?
 
erszega said:
I am trying to prove (or find a counterexample for) this:

Let n be any positive integer, and m any odd integer, with 1 <= m < 2^n. Also, let B(x,y) denote the binomial coefficient, x! /( y! ( x - y )! ). Then

2^n | B( 2^n , m ).

Any help is welcome.
Find the power of 2 in the numerator and denominator of B( 2^n , m ).
You will find that power of 2 in numerator=2^n - 1
Power of 2 in denominator=2^n - n - 1
Hence B( 2^n , m ) is divisible by 2^n.

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Thanks very much.
Now I am working on this:
p | B( p, n ) for all n, 0< n < p, if and only if p is prime.
 
B(p,n) divisible by p should be straight forward when p is prime.
If you're stuck in the other direction, you might want to try looking at some examples to see where it goes wrong if p is composite.
 
erszega said:
Thanks very much.
Now I am working on this:
p | B( p, n ) for all n, 0< n < p, if and only if p is prime.
This is similar to the previous question.
Let a be any composite number.
Let p be a prime factor of a.
Find the power of p in numerator and denominator. You will arrive at your answer.I would be happy if you tell me about how you proceded in the first question.

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Back to the first question then, I thought of the following:

the proposition of 2^n | B(2^n, m) is equivalent to saying that

2 * 3 * ... * m | (2^n - 1)*(2^n - 2)* ... *(2^n - m + 1), where
m is odd and m <= 2^{n-1} - 1.

Take sequence A = 2,3,...,m, and B = 2^n-1, 2^n-2,...,2^n-m+1, then
A as well as B have m-1 terms.

2 is a factor of every second term in A, and also of every second term in B, and so 2 divides as many terms in A as in B. Further, 2^k, where k<=n-2, divides every 2^k'th term in A as well as B.

On the other hand, any prime p <= m is a factor of at least the same number of terms in B as in A, because A and B have the same number of terms, which are ... (I don't remember the right word, but they follow each other with a difference of 1), and 2^n contains no other factor than 2, so B, starting with 2^n-1, should contain all the factors, and their powers, that A contains.

The way I say it may be clumsy, but I hope it conveys the idea.
 
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erszega said:
On the other hand, any prime p <= m is a factor of at least the same number of terms in B as in A, because A and B have the same number of terms, which are ... (I don't remember the right word, but they follow each other with a difference of 1), and 2^n contains no other factor than 2, so B, starting with 2^n-1, should contain all the factors, and their powers, that A contains.

You don't have to worry about primes other than 2 at all here. The only thing stopping B(2^n,m) from being divisible by 2^n is a possible lack of 2's, so you can just count the number of 2's in 2 * 3 * ... * m and in (2^n - 1)*(2^n - 2)* ... *(2^n - m + 1).

You can do this by pairing off the even terms (the odds don't matter), eg. when m is 5, you have 2*3*4*5 and (2^n-1)*(2^n-2)*(2^n-3)*(2^n-4). 2 and (2^n-2) both have one 2, 4 and (2^n-4) both have two 2's, similar for the general case. m being odd is important here!
 
Thanks, in fact I realized I needn't have worried about primes other than 2 very soon after posting my comment. However, it's interesting that the fact that, for B( n, m ), m! divides n*(n-1)*...*(n-m+1) is not as obvious as I would have assumed it was.
 
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erszega said:
Thanks very much.
Now I am working on this:
p | B( p, n ) for all n, 0< n < p, if and only if p is prime.
Consider this
9|B(9,2)

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  • #11
Thanks, then the only if assumption is obviously wrong, while the if part is trivially obvious.
 
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erszega said:
Thanks, then the only if assumption is obviously wrong, while the if part is trivially obvious.

NO! That is not a counterexample. The "only if" direction is claiming:

if p|B(p,n) for ALL n where 0<n<p then p is prime

p=9 does not satisfy p|B(p,n) when n=3. The "for ALL n" is key here. Try the contrapositive for this direction, if p is composite, it's enough to find an n where n does not divide B(p,n).
 
  • #13
Yes, of course, how can I forget - that exactly was my point!
 
  • #14
I missed the important phrase 'for all n'
I am sorry

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  • #15
I wonder if this is acceptable as a proof:

Assume p is composite. Then choose q a prime factor of p, then
B(p, q) = ( p*(p-1)*...*(p-q+1) ) / ( 2*3*...*q ).
Now there are q terms in p, p-1, ..., p-q+1, therefore q divides only one of them, which is p. Also, q occurs as a factor of any term in the sequence 2,3,...,q only once. That means that q does not divide B( p, q ), and so p does not divide B( p, q ) if q | p and 1< q < p.
 
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erszega said:
Now there are q terms in p, p-1, ..., p-q+1, therefore q divides only one of them, which is p.

True.

erszega said:
Also, q occurs as a factor of any term in the sequence 2,3,...,q only once.

Not true. Some power of q may divide p, and q may then divide B(p,q).

But you're close. Say p=N*q^n, where q does not divide N. You should be able to say the highest power of q that divides B(p,q).
 
  • #17
Let me try.
B(p,n)= (p/n)B(p-1,n-1)
Now, B(p,n) is an inteher for all values of n<=p.
B(p-1,n-1) is also an intger.
Now we are given that B(p,n) is divisible by p for all n
Hence n should not divide p (for any value of n)
Hence p is a prime

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  • #18
I think that the only problem with my proof was saying that q does not divide B(p,q). I would rephrase it this way:

Assume p is composite, and q is a prime factor of p.
There are q terms in the sequence p, p-1, ..., p-q+1, therefore q divides only one of them, which is p.
B(p,q) / p = (p-1)*...*(p-q+1) / q!. As q is not a factor of the numerator, B(p,q)/p is not integral.
 
  • #19
That looks good erszega, nice work.


MalayInd said:
Hence n should not divide p (for any value of n)

I don't see why this follows from what you had.
 
  • #20
shmoe said:
I don't see why this follows from what you had.
There is some logical inconsistency, leave it.

However, it has been proved by erszega.

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