Is A/B' = A/B a Sufficient Condition for B' = B in Abelian Groups?

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter eok20
  • Start date Start date
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on the condition under which the isomorphism A/B' = A/B implies B' = B in the context of Abelian groups. It establishes that while A/B and A/B' can be isomorphic, this does not guarantee that B' equals B unless the isomorphism is compatible with the projection maps. A counter-example is provided using the free Abelian group A generated by integers, with subgroups B and B' generated by even and quadruple integers, respectively, demonstrating that A/B and A/B' are isomorphic without B equaling B'.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of Abelian groups and their properties
  • Familiarity with group isomorphisms and projection maps
  • Knowledge of free Abelian groups and their generation
  • Basic concepts of infinite sets and their applications in group theory
NEXT STEPS
  • Explore the properties of isomorphisms in group theory
  • Study the structure of free Abelian groups in detail
  • Investigate projection maps and their role in group homomorphisms
  • Examine counter-examples in group theory to understand limitations of isomorphisms
USEFUL FOR

Mathematicians, particularly those specializing in abstract algebra, group theorists, and students exploring the properties of Abelian groups and isomorphisms.

eok20
Messages
198
Reaction score
0
I'm probably missing something obvious, but suppose that B' < B < A are all abelian groups and that A/B is isomorphic to A/B'. Does it follow that B = B'? In the case of finite groups and vector spaces it is true by counting orders and dimensions but what about in general?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
It's true if the if the isomorphism is compatible with the projection maps.

That is, it's not enough that there be some random isomorphism between the groups; the projection A/B' --> A/B must be an isomorphism.


As is usually the case, think about infinite subsets of the integers, and use them to construct a counter-example. The first one I came up with is:

Let A be the free Abelian group generated by the symbols [n] for each integer n. Let B be the subgroup generated by the symbols [2n], and let B' be the subgroup generated by the symbols [4n].

Then A / B and A / B' are both free Abelian groups generated by a countably infinite number of elements; they are isomorphic.
 
It strikes me that, in my example, we could let B' be finitely generated, or even be the zero group, so that it's not even isomorphic to B.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
1K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
9K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K