Is a Grand Unified Theory Really Necessary for Understanding Our Universe?

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The forum discussion centers on the necessity of a Grand Unified Theory (GUT) to reconcile general relativity (GR) and quantum mechanics (QM). Participants assert that GR and the Standard Model of quantum mechanics are fundamentally contradictory, particularly regarding their treatment of time and the quantization of gravity. The discussion highlights that while GR operates on a smooth continuum, QM posits a quantized space, leading to infinities when attempting to unify the two theories. The consensus is that a GUT must address these contradictions without necessarily equating gravity with the other fundamental forces.

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Lelan Thara said:
As far as I know, Aquinas' arguments on the topic come from his Summa Theologica.

(BTW, glad to see you have both a sense of humor and broad range of intellectual interests.)

No, actually I haven't got a sense of humor and my intellectual interests are incredibly narrow :frown: . It is a sort of paradox that most people understand the contrary, at least as for the second point it refers.

Now, here is a more complete answer:
http://yedda.com/questions/8621841671611/
http://www.philosophy.leeds.ac.uk/GMR/articles/angels.html
http://www.baronyofvatavia.org/articles/medcul/pangel112002as37.php

the interesting point is that the concept seems to be transmited orally well before D'Israeli, and that someone brings it to the attention of Leibnitz:

Burcher de Volder in a letter to Leibniz of 14 November 1704 said:
in acus cuspide innumerabiles posse esse animulas, nullam inter se extensionem facientes.

‘there can be innumerable little souls on the point of a needle without their generating any space among themselves’

Of course this concrete answer is wrong. They do not contain space, but generate space between them

EDIT: it seems that the concept of "dancing" is introduced by Joseph Glanville, FRS, in 1661
 
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selfadjoint, marcus - you are right, I guess I did latch onto that one statement by DaveC. Thank you for explaining that background dependence in QM is very different than saying QM is dependent on a quantized space.

arivero - I observed empirically that you were able to shift effortlessly from a discussion of GUTs to a discussion of angels on pinheads - and so, this observer created a reality in which you have a sense of humor.

And, of course, since we can't say that your reference frame is privileged in any way compared to mine - I'm afraid you are stuck with it. In my particular little corner of SpaceTime - you have a sense of humor.

There are worse things, you know. :smile:
 
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