Is A.I. more than the sum of its parts?

[Dale]

The more I consider @Dale 's approach, the more I like it. Stripping away all of the romance and drama around AI by simply talking about software products avoids all that

Yeah, but even I got sucked into the "intelligence" debate.

 

[jack action]

There is a big flaw in the Turing test: It is assumed that the judge is a simple human.

But what if the judge is using AI for assistance or for doing the job entirely? If AI is so efficient, it should be able to detect AI. It should be able to detect the patterns coming from a neural network. There must be patterns in neural networks, otherwise the whole concept of a neural network wouldn't work. And if one is tempted to say that a neural network could be intelligent enough to fool another, why wouldn't this neural network be the one used for AI detection?

Then the human using AI to detect AI is still the most intelligent in the room.

That is what is wrong with all the doomsday scenarios: they never consider that both "good" and "evil" sides can use the same tools.

 

[Grinkle]

Then the human using AI to detect AI is still the most intelligent in the room.

You are conflating detection with intelligence here, no?

The Turing test can't be flawed in the manner you suggest because it is what it is by definition. It doesn't assume the judge is human, its defined that way. As I read it, its not defined to have anything to do with intelligence per se, that is our retro-fit in this thread.

There may be many approaches to sussing out the AI in the Turing test, they don't all have to do with intelligence. Style, for example; I speculate that an AI will be more prone to including examples in its response to justify its response than a human, even if both responses agree with each other conceptually.

That is what is wrong with all the doomsday scenarios: they never consider that both "good" and "evil" sides can use the same tools.

In my own scenario of society self-dumbing down, that's actually the key part of the scenario.