MHB Is A Measurable if the Inner and Outer Measures are Equal?

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The discussion centers on proving the measurability of sets A and B given that their union A ∪ B is measurable and that the measure of A ∪ B equals the sum of their outer measures. It is established that both outer measures are finite, which is crucial for the proof. The main goal is to demonstrate that the inner measure equals the outer measure for both sets. The conversation also touches on the definitions of inner and outer measures in the context of sets in R^n, and one participant suggests that A and B should be almost disjoint for the proof to hold. The thread concludes with a request for clarification on LaTeX formatting for mathematical expressions.
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Let $$\lambda(A)$$ denote the measure of $$A$$ and let $$\lambda^{*}(A)$$ denote the outer measure of $$A$$ and let $$\lambda_{*}(A)$$ denote the inner measure of $$A$$

Okay so the question is as follows:

Suppose that $$A \cup B$$ is measurable and that
$$\lambda(A \cup B) = \lambda^{*}(A) + \lambda^{*}(B) < \infty$$

Prove that $$A$$ and $$B$$ are measurable.

So I know that $$\lambda^{*}(A) < \infty$$ and $$\lambda^{*}(B) < \infty$$ otherwise it would contradict $$\lambda(A \cup B) = \lambda^{*}(A) + \lambda^{*}(B) < \infty$$ (since if one or both was infinity the sum would be infinity)

So I think it would be enough to show that inner measure is equal to the outer measure. We know that $$\lambda_{*}(A) \leq \lambda^{*}(A)$$ for all sets $$A$$ so I would need to show $$\lambda^{*}(A) \leq \lambda_{*}(A)$$ but I'm not sure how to go about showing this. So first off am I on the right track? Second is how would I go about showing $$\lambda^{*}(A) \leq \lambda_{*}(A)$$ if I am on the right track.

Any help is appreciated.
 
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ryo0071 said:
Let $$\lambda(A)$$ denote the measure of $$A$$ and let $$\lambda^{*}(A)$$ denote the outer measure of $$A$$ and let $$\lambda_{*}(A)$$ denote the inner measure of $$A$$

Okay so the question is as follows:

Suppose that $$A \cup B$$ is measurable and that
$$\lambda(A \cup B) = \lambda^{*}(A) + \lambda^{*}(B) < \infty$$

Prove that $$A$$ and $$B$$ are measurable.

So I know that $$\lambda^{*}(A) < \infty$$ and $$\lambda^{*}(B) < \infty$$ otherwise it would contradict $$\lambda(A \cup B) = \lambda^{*}(A) + \lambda^{*}(B) < \infty$$ (since if one or both was infinity the sum would be infinity)

So I think it would be enough to show that inner measure is equal to the outer measure. We know that $$\lambda_{*}(A) \leq \lambda^{*}(A)$$ for all sets $$A$$ so I would need to show $$\lambda^{*}(A) \leq \lambda_{*}(A)$$ but I'm not sure how to go about showing this. So first off am I on the right track? Second is how would I go about showing $$\lambda^{*}(A) \leq \lambda_{*}(A)$$ if I am on the right track.
There are several different approaches to measure theory, so it would help to know how you are defining inner and outer measure. Also, what space do $A$ and $B$ lie in – $\mathbb{R}$, $\mathbb{R}^n$, a topological space, or a general measure space?
 
Sorry about that. We have that $$A, B \subset \mathbb{R}^n$$.

We developed measure has follows:

Let $$a, b \in \mathbb{R}^n$$. A special rectangle is $$I = \{x \in \mathbb{R}^n | a_i \leq x_i \leq b_i $$ for $$1 \leq i \leq n\}$$
The measure of $$I$$ is $$\lambda(I) = (b_1 - a_1)\cdots(b_n - a_n)$$

We define a special polygon $$P$$ to be a finite union of non overlapping special rectangles. So if $$P = \bigcup_{n = 0}^N I_n$$ with $$I_n$$ special rectangles, then the measure of P is $$\lambda(P) = \sum_{n = 0}^N \lambda(I_n)$$

We defined the measure of an open set $$G$$ to be:
$$\lambda(G) = sup\{\lambda(P)|P \subset G$$ and $$P$$ is a special polygon$$\}$$
The measure of a compact set $$K$$ as:
$$\lambda(K) = inf\{\lambda(G)|K \subset G$$ and $$G$$ is an open set$$\}$$

With the outer measure defined as:
$$\lambda^{*}(A) = inf\{\lambda(G)|A \subset G$$ and $$G$$ is an open set$$\}$$
And the inner measure:
$$\lambda_{*}(A) = sup\{\lambda(K)|K \subset A$$ and $$K$$ is a compact set$$\}$$

I think that should cover everything.

(Also I'm new at writing math on the computer, how would I make it so the limits on the union and the sum were on the side instead of on the top and bottom?)
 
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ryo0071 said:
Let $$\lambda(A)$$ denote the measure of $$A$$ and let $$\lambda^{*}(A)$$ denote the outer measure of $$A$$ and let $$\lambda_{*}(A)$$ denote the inner measure of $$A$$

Okay so the question is as follows:

Suppose that $$A \cup B$$ is measurable and that
$$\lambda(A \cup B) = \lambda^{*}(A) + \lambda^{*}(B) < \infty$$

Prove that $$A$$ and $$B$$ are measurable.
My first thought on this was that $A$ and $B$ must be almost disjoint (by which I mean that $A\cap B$ should be a null set). If not, then surely it would be true that $\lambda^{*}(A\cup B) < \lambda^{*}(A) + \lambda^{*}(B)$?

I have not checked this through carefully, but here is a rough outline of why I think $A$ should be measurable. I will write $\sim$ to mean "approximately equals", leaving you to translate into a proper proof with epsilons.

Let $U$ be an open set containing $A$, with $\lambda(U) \sim \lambda^{*}(A)$, and let $V$ be an open set containing $B$, with $\lambda(V) \sim \lambda^{*}(B)$. Then $U\cup V \supseteq A\cup B$ and $\lambda(U\cup V) \sim \lambda(A\cup B)$.

Now let $K$ be a compact set contained in $A\cup B$, with $\lambda(K) \sim \lambda(A\cup B)$. Define $L = K-V$. Then $L$ is a compact set contained in $A$. I think that it should be possible to show that $\lambda(L) \sim \lambda(U)$. If so, then $A$ is trapped between $L$ and $U$, whose measures are almost the same. Therefore $A$ is measurable.

ryo0071 said:
(Also I'm new at writing math on the computer, how would I make it so the limits on the union and the sum were on the side instead of on the top and bottom?)
To produce textstyle LaTeX, use \$ ... \$ tags instead of $$ ... $$.
 
We all know the definition of n-dimensional topological manifold uses open sets and homeomorphisms onto the image as open set in ##\mathbb R^n##. It should be possible to reformulate the definition of n-dimensional topological manifold using closed sets on the manifold's topology and on ##\mathbb R^n## ? I'm positive for this. Perhaps the definition of smooth manifold would be problematic, though.

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