Is a National Emergency Declaration for Swine Flu Necessary?

[Evo]

I used statistics given by the government and provided a link to them Evo claimed that this proves nothing because of testing methods

It wasn't a claim, did you see the link I provided to the CDC? They are the ones that say that the reports are skewed by the new testing.

Increased Testing
CDC has developed a PCR diagnostic test kit to detect this novel H1N1 virus and has now distributed test kits to all states in the U.S. and the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico. The test kits are being shipped internationally as well. This will allow states and other countries to test for this new virus. This increase in testing will likely result in an increase in the number of confirmed cases of illness reported. This, combined with ongoing monitoring through Flu View should provide a fuller picture of the burden of disease in the United States over time.

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/updates/050809.htm

 

[Sorry!]

It wasn't a claim, did you see the link I provided to the CDC? They are the ones that say that the reports are skewed by the new testing.
http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/updates/050809.htm

Yes I did see the link you posted as well as the bolded parts. No I do not think that you providing this as support will substantiate your claim that THATS what's happening. They are making a CLAIM too and your basing your own claim off their original claim. I'm using solid numbers based on observational evidence and numerical data that's been collected which ADMITS to skewed results surrounding new testing methods but since then (a few months ago) the methods for reporting to the numerical data has been pretty much normilized...

The question is did you read the entire report that I posted or are you just dead sure that what you think is 100% correct and the rest of the people that goes against you are crazy, unintelligent, are just trying to start a panic, or are just trying to make money and none of it has any backing what-so-ever.

 

[turbo]

Bowdoin college had over 160 cases of flu by the first of October. They have put affected students in single dorm-rooms and isolated them from others. Meals and medical services are delivered to them in their rooms. After they got positive tests for swine flu back in September, they halted testing and started their containment policy.

http://mainecampus.com/2009/10/01/bowdoin-college-hit-hard-by-swine-flu/

Obama should be applauded for his action. Clearly, there are parts of the nation that are being hit harder than others with flu, and his proclamation frees hospitals to offer emergency care to flu sufferers away from their regular emergency rooms, to help slow transmission of the disease. It's a prudent move. Children are often taken to ERs for injuries and illnesses other than the flu, and the swine flu seems to cause more serious illness and death in young people than in us older folk. Some of us who got vaccinated during the mass inoculations back in the '70s may have residual protection from that. In that outbreak, armories and other public buildings all across the state were opened, and the inoculations were given via the pneumatic guns that the military uses. Much faster than using needles.

 

[OmCheeto]

It wasn't a claim, did you see the link I provided to the CDC? They are the ones that say that the reports are skewed by the new testing.

And skewed by the press:

Thursday Oct 22, 2009
(NBC) - Latest numbers from the CDC show one in five children had symptoms of the flu so far in October. According to researchers, these children likely are showing symptoms of swine flu.

And picked up and rebroadcast by scores of news stations:
Google results 1 - 10 of about 1,720 for "one in five kids had swine flu".

Update, Friday Oct. 23: Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, director of the CDC, said Friday in a news conference that the data was misinterpreted by news media and that it is highly unlikely that most of the cases were swine flu.

 

[Sorry!]

And skewed by the press:


And picked up and rebroadcast by scores of news stations:
Google results 1 - 10 of about 1,720 for "one in five kids had swine flu".

I highly doubt Obama makes his decisions based on media misrepresentation or by googling things... (wasn't it McCain who did that?)

 

[OmCheeto]

In that outbreak, armories and other public buildings all across the state were opened, and the inoculations were given via the pneumatic guns that the military uses. Much faster than using needles.

I remember those. A quick google search finds them now only in http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/objects/public_health_and_hygiene/1981-1398.aspx"

What's wrong with a http://journals.lww.com/biomedicalsafetystandards/Citation/1986/05150/Inoculation_Jet_Gun_Linked_To_64_Case_Outbreak_of.1.aspx" ?

I highly doubt Obama makes his decisions based on media misrepresentation or by googling things... (wasn't it McCain who did that?)

He probably based it on a recommendation from the CDC when they saw that there was going to be a panic based on the widespread disinformation. I'll bet they got lots of phone calls on Thursday.

It's hard to say though. How will people trying to get swine flu shots compare to http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/29/business/29walmart.html" ?

 

[OmCheeto]

Oh my god! How come nobody pointed this out before?!

http://www.flu.gov/professional/federal/h1n1emergency10242009.html

Past instances where authority to grant Section 1135 waivers was enabled for recent disaster events include

* Hurricane Katrina (2005)
* 56th Presidential Inauguration (2009)
* Hurricanes Ike and Gustav (2008)
* North Dakota flooding (2009)

And there I thought it had gone quite well.

 

[Evo]

Yes I did see the link you posted as well as the bolded parts. No I do not think that you providing this as support will substantiate your claim that THATS what's happening. They are making a CLAIM too and your basing your own claim off their original claim. I'm using solid numbers based on observational evidence and numerical data that's been collected which ADMITS to skewed results surrounding new testing methods but since then (a few months ago) the methods for reporting to the numerical data has been pretty much normilized...

The question is did you read the entire report that I posted or are you just dead sure that what you think is 100% correct and the rest of the people that goes against you are crazy, unintelligent, are just trying to start a panic, or are just trying to make money and none of it has any backing what-so-ever.

Are you serious? I think you need to come out of left field, where on Earth are you coming up with these accusations? You are being warned, this kind of behavior is not allowed here.

 

[WhoWee]

All of the higher risk groups should be more careful. Pregnant women appear to be at the top of that list.
http://health.usnews.com/articles/h...gnant-women-have-died-from-swine-flu-cdc.html

 

[Sorry!]

Are you serious? I think you need to come out of left field, where on Earth are you coming up with these accusations? You are being warned, this kind of behavior is not allowed here.

So me directing a question to you is not allowable behaviour. Good to know.

 

[Evo]

So me directing a question to you is not allowable behaviour. Good to know.

Making false and unsubstantiated accusations and claims is not allowable.

 

[Virtuous]

I live in Hamilton...and...I don't see the zombies yet. I know people who have had it, and they are over it, and I've been around them, and got nothing. I think the panic is over-hyped. This won't be the first or last strain of the flu that will mutate, it's as close to inevitable as possible. How many times have we heard about it in previous years? Call me when 90% of the world population has died off, then I'll panic ( or maybe a bit before that ;] ).

 

[Sorry!]

I live in Hamilton...and...I don't see the zombies yet. I know people who have had it, and they are over it, and I've been around them, and got nothing. I think the panic is over-hyped. This won't be the first or last strain of the flu that will mutate, it's as close to inevitable as possible. How many times have we heard about it in previous years? Call me when 90% of the world population has died off, then I'll panic ( or maybe a bit before that ;] ).

I'm not saying that it should cause a panic but Evo is saying that it isn't true that this years flu season is worse.

 

[Evo]

I'm not saying that it should cause a panic but Evo is saying that it isn't true that this years flu season is worse.

I'm not the only one either, read the thread. Read the other threads about the flu and not wanting to get vaccines because they don't consider this season to be of concern. It seems I am more concerned than others.

 

[B. Elliott]

If it's available, I just can't see why anyone wouldn't be inclined to get vaccinated.

 

[turbo]

If it's available, I just can't see why anyone wouldn't be inclined to get vaccinated.

I won't, because I would have to be in a public place where the risk of adverse reaction to fragrance chemicals would be much higher than the possible risk of getting the flu. Flu might make me feel bad for a few days - fragrance chemicals could kill me, put me in the ER/intensive care for days, and still make me feel really bad for a few days.

 

[Sorry!]

If it's available, I just can't see why anyone wouldn't be inclined to get vaccinated.

I've already gotten the flu for this season so I don't see any point in getting the shot.