Is a Paper Strip Contracted on a Table a Parabola?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the shape formed by a paper strip when it is contracted on a flat surface, specifically whether this shape is a parabola or another type of curve, such as a catenary. Participants explore the implications of elastic forces at play and the geometry of the resulting curve.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes contracting a paper strip on a table by pushing the ends together, leading to a curve that lifts from the surface.
  • Another participant suggests that the resulting shape is a catenary, referencing its definition and characteristics.
  • A clarification is made that the fingers used to contract the strip are not at the ends, which affects the resulting shape and the forces involved.
  • One participant argues that the curve formed is not a parabola, suggesting it may be a more complex curve involving trigonometric or exponential factors.
  • There is a consideration of the curve's behavior when the ends are pushed close together, potentially leading to a shape that is not a function.
  • A question is raised about whether the curve could still possess properties of a parabola, such as having a single focal point in certain cases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the curve formed by the paper strip, with some asserting it is a catenary while others argue it is a more complex shape. No consensus is reached regarding the classification of the curve.

Contextual Notes

Participants emphasize the importance of elastic forces in the paper strip's behavior and the conditions under which the curve is formed, noting that the discussion does not address scenarios where the paper might break or fold sharply.

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When you take a paper strip, put it on the flat surface (table), and contract it so it stands up - is it parabola or something else?
 
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I meant when you place a paper strip on a desk, then press the ends of the paper strip with index fingers, and then slide them toward each other with paper strip ends stuck to the fingers, so the section of the paper strip between fingers lifts up from the desk and forms a curve.
 
Isn't that what I said? :confused:

Anyway, still a catenary. :smile:
 
In the example with paper strip I described the index fingers are not placed at the ends of the paper strip - they are placed some distance away from the ends of the paper strip, so the elastic forces of the paper strip are at work at the point where index fingers are.

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The catenary pictures (examples) on wikipedia show things hanging or bulging at sharp angle from ends of the structure bending.

In example I described, however, the structure continues beyond - the direction of the part beyond is horizontal - not in direction of the curve (it transits from horizontal to the curve)...
 
If I am understanding your description correctly, the resulting arching curve is flat underneath the fingers and then bugles upwards in the center. If this is correct, then the curve is definitely not a parabola.

I strongly suspect it is a very complicated curve that may involve trigonometric and/or exponential factors. Even worse still, if the ends are pushed sufficiently close, I believe the curve stops being a function as is balloons out past where the fingers are ( much like a light bulb shape or the letter [itex]\Omega[/itex]).

Am I way off base here?

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I'm interested only in the case when elastic forces of the paper are still at work, not when paper "breaks" and fold at sharp angle.
Imagine that finger-nails face each other, so the nails pin the paperstrip to the surface of the desk while paper slides e.i. contracts which make it bulge - still maintaining its elastic properties (not "breaking").

Try it yourself - take any paper you have there - do what I described. What is that curve you get when you watch it from its profile? ...
 
Anyway - would it have at least some properties of parabola? (such as a single focal point; at least in some cases)
 

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