Is all EM radiation light?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the question of whether all electromagnetic (EM) radiation, including gamma rays, x-rays, microwaves, radio waves, ultraviolet (UV), and infrared (IR) radiation, can be classified as light. Participants express confusion over definitions and terminology, particularly regarding the distinction between visible light and other forms of EM radiation.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that all light is EM radiation, while not all EM radiation is considered light, suggesting a distinction based on context and terminology.
  • There is a suggestion that the definition of light varies by field, with astronomers sometimes referring to all EM radiation as light, while others may restrict it to the visible spectrum.
  • Participants note that all EM waves travel at the speed of light (c), but this does not necessarily imply they are all classified as light.
  • Some argue that natural language can be imprecise, leading to different interpretations of what is meant by "light," depending on context.
  • One participant raises the idea of considering the types of detectors required for different frequency bands as a way to understand the classification of light.
  • There is mention of specific instances where terminology may differ, such as referring to UV or IR as light in certain contexts, while in others, it may refer strictly to visible light.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the existence of a unique definition for light, citing various references that highlight the lack of consensus.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not agree on a single definition of light, with multiple competing views on what constitutes light within the broader category of EM radiation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the terminology and classification of different types of EM radiation.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that terminology may reflect historical context and that definitions can vary significantly across different fields of study. The discussion also points to the potential for confusion arising from the use of natural language in scientific contexts.

  • #31
DaveC426913 said:
I think that's bit of a stretch. Radio waves in the hundred metre range can't really be described as light by any but perhaps the most cloistered of radio astronomers, no?
I don't see why radio waves couldn't be called light. I often use the term light as a synonym for electromagnetic radiation.
 
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  • #32
Mister T said:
It's all semantics. There is nothing uncommon about the statement "All light travels at speed c in a vacuum, regardless of its frequency".

No it's not, there are specific meanings
IR, vis, and UV "light" are just part of the EM spectrum, that travels at speed c in a vacuum
As DaveC said, you cannot refer to radio frequencies as light, no more than you call X-rays light
 
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  • #33
davenn said:
No it's not, there are specific meanings
IR, vis, and UV "light" are just part of the EM spectrum, that travels at speed c in a vacuum
As DaveC said, you cannot refer to radio frequencies as light, no more than you call X-rays light
Thanks, davenn
What do you make of the definitions given above?
Here's two of them to save you looking for them. I'm not citing them as oracles, I'm just wondering who is correct, or if it's even a matter of who is correct or not.

Nasa;
“All EM radiation is light, but we can only see a small portion of this radiation, the portion we call visible light.”

Nasa Hubblesite;
“Other types of light include radio waves, microwaves, infrared radiation, ultraviolet rays, X-rays and gamma rays — all of which are imperceptible to human eyes.”
 
  • #34
davenn said:
there are specific meanings

Thus it's semantics. I often refer to all of EM spectrum as "light" because it's easier. When you give a 45+ minute lecture it's hard to say "electromagnetic waves" all the time, and also I try not to be very repetetive with my wording.
 
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  • #35
weirdoguy said:
Thus it's semantics.
Of course it is. It's worse than a waste of time discussing this issue. To discuss it implies that there's more to the 'name' we give light.

Is a Lion a 'cat'? Would we spend 35 posts in that question?

Our communal brains love the idea of classification; particular the EM waves one. Seriously, a five minute discussion comparing and contrasting all the common features of EM waves would be far more fruitful and would involve Evidence and not just fancy. The behaviour of all wavelengths of EM is different in practice when EM interacts with physical media
 
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  • #36
jtbell said:
And surely different people perceive different ranges of frequency or wavelength with their eyes, at both the red and violet ends of the "visible" spectrum. Just like different people can hear sounds in different frequency ranges.
While using a UV-Vis spectrometer, I found I could see a little bit into the IR and the UV range. The puzzled look on the students faces made me look at the dial I was turning, to realise I could but they couldn't see what I was pointing at.
 
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