MHB Is AlphaZero a Scientific Breakthrough in AI?

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The discussion centers around the capabilities of AI in chess, particularly highlighting DeepMind's AlphaZero and its innovative approach compared to traditional chess engines like Stockfish. AlphaZero's method of searching for patterns rather than calculating numerous potential moves is noted as a significant advancement. The conversation also explores the potential for algorithms to learn mathematics independently, raising questions about the limitations imposed by Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem. Participants express interest in the advancements of neural networks and their applications in problem-solving, with references to personal experiences in machine learning and deep learning studies. Additionally, there is mention of resources, including videos and articles, that delve into the implications and effectiveness of AI in chess and beyond.
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You chess fans out there might find https://chess24.com/en/read/news/deepmind-s-alphazero-crushes-chess interesting. No domain-specific knowledge required!
 
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That's amazing! (Yes)
 
...which leads me to the question "Can we construct an algorithm that, given the rules of math, teaches itself math and consequently arrives at solutions for problems currently unattainable for humans". Maybe not in this era but I certainly don't know that.
 
greg1313 said:
...which leads me to the question "Can we construct an algorithm that, given the rules of math, teaches itself math and consequently arrives at solutions for problems currently unattainable for humans". Maybe not in this era but I certainly don't know that.

I think Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem puts the lid on finding out all of mathematics (there are infinitely many theorems). But we already have theorem-provers doing some pretty amazing things. You can pay to have a theorem named after you, for crying out loud. I believe Mathematica can do things people can't do, even given enough time.

All this to say, I am no strong Church-Turing thesis guy. I'm more with Roger Penrose in his book The Emperor's New Mind, one that I would highly recommend.
 
I work with machine learning on a daily basis in my day job, so I've really become interested in these types of projects. Neural networks have become absolutely amazing with regards to the types of problems they can solve. Stockfish has been the gold standard of chess for years now and AlphaZero actually calculated less potential moves than Stockfish on average. Instead it will search for patterns that lead to optimal outcomes.

This is a great video series on neural networks if you are interested. I find them truly fascinating.

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Jameson said:
I work with machine learning on a daily basis in my day job, so I've really become interested in these types of projects. Neural networks have become absolutely amazing with regards to the types of problems they can solve. Stockfish has been the gold standard of chess for years now and AlphaZero actually calculated less potential moves than Stockfish on average. Instead it will search for patterns that lead to optimal outcomes.

I am working on deep learning as well but as part of the Masters program. For those interested to see some battles between stockfish and AlphaZero watch this with some commentary

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