Is always a Lagrangian L=T-V ?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the Lagrangian and Hamiltonian formulations in classical mechanics and general relativity. It establishes that while the Lagrangian is often expressed as L=T-V, exceptions exist, particularly in cases involving gravitational energy and charged particles in magnetic fields. The Einstein-Hilbert Lagrangian is specifically noted as L=√(-g)R, where g is the determinant of the metric and R is the Ricci scalar. The conversation highlights the necessity of understanding the conditions under which the Hamiltonian represents energy, particularly in non-relativistic and relativistic contexts.

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That's my question..although in more general cases [tex]L=T-V[/tex]

[tex]H=T+V[/tex] however there're several important exceptions..for example:

a) Classically (Non relativisitc) the Gravitational "Energy" (=Hamiltonian for a time-independent Potential) is:

[tex]H=(1/2)\int_{V}\rho (\gra \phi)^{2}[/tex]

b) Einstein-HIlbert Lagrangian [tex]L=\sqrt (-g) R[/tex] -g is the

determinant of the metric and R is Ricci scalar.

Is there always a kind of "transform" so you can always split te Lagrangian into a Kinetic and a potential terms...:confused: :confused:
 
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First of all, it is not sufficient that the hamiltonian have a time-independent potential for it to equal the energy. That's only for the hamiltonian to be conserved in time (actually, it's that [tex]dH/dt = \partial_t L[/tex] that you need). Also, you might want to look up the situation of a charged particle in the magnetic field. the lagrangian is decidedly NOT T - V, but the hamiltonian does equal thte energy of the charged particle (does not include the energy of the field).
 

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