Is average force dependent on the exertion time of force?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the average force exerted by a man jumping, given his mass, jump velocity, and contact time. The subject area includes dynamics and force calculations, particularly focusing on the relationship between force, mass, and acceleration.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the equation for average force, questioning whether the gravitational force should also be divided by contact time to find the average force. There is discussion about the implications of dividing forces by time and the nature of average acceleration.

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Some participants have provided hints and guidance regarding the calculations and concepts involved, particularly around the treatment of gravitational force and average acceleration. Multiple interpretations of how to approach the average force calculation are being explored, with no explicit consensus reached.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions regarding the constancy of gravitational force during the contact time and how it relates to the average force calculation. Participants express confusion about the necessity of dividing certain terms by time.

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Homework Statement


A 65 kg man jumps at a velocity of 1.8 m/s. The contact time is 0.45 seconds. Find the average force exerted by the man.

Homework Equations


F=ma+mg

The Attempt at a Solution


F=65*(1.8/.45)+65*9.81

I'm not sure if the equation has to be divided by the contact time, .45 seconds, to obtain the average force acting on the man.
 
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Hint: Think in terms of momentum changes.
 
dawningparadox said:

The Attempt at a Solution


F=65*(1.8/.45)+65*9.81

I'm not sure if the equation has to be divided by the contact time, .45 seconds, to obtain the average force acting on the man.
You did divide by the time. Are you just asking whether that was the right thing to do? Yes, it is, and I agree with your answer.
You don't explain how you came up with that equation. I'm guessing that you divided the velocity change by the duration to obtain the average acceleration. If so, you are quite right that mass times average acceleration gives average force.
Doc Al's hint gives you another route to the same answer.
 
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Yeah, I should have just said "yes". :smile:
 
haruspex said:
You did divide by the time. Are you just asking whether that was the right thing to do? Yes, it is, and I agree with your answer.
You don't explain how you came up with that equation. I'm guessing that you divided the velocity change by the duration to obtain the average acceleration. If so, you are quite right that mass times average acceleration gives average force.
Doc Al's hint gives you another route to the same answer.

Sorry for the ambiguity in my question. I'm well aware that we have to divide the velocity by contact time to obtain the average acceleration. What really confuses me is that due to the fact that the man also has to provide mg in 0.45 seconds, alongside ma which was solved above, do i also have to divide mg by 0.45 seconds to find out the AVERAGE force provided by the man, which unit is 1 second? Please correct me if there is any misconception.
 
dawningparadox said:
Sorry for the ambiguity in my question. I'm well aware that we have to divide the velocity by contact time to obtain the average acceleration. What really confuses me is that due to the fact that the man also has to provide mg in 0.45 seconds, alongside ma which was solved above, do i also have to divide mg by 0.45 seconds to find out the AVERAGE force provided by the man, which unit is 1 second? Please correct me if there is any misconception.
The mg is constant over the time period, so it must equal its own average. If you divide it by time it will no longer be a force, but something rather strange... mass times jerk, I guess.
 
haruspex said:
The mg is constant over the time period, so it must equal its own average. If you divide it by time it will no longer be a force, but something rather strange... mass times jerk, I guess.

Thanks.
 

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