Is Bush's Critique of Bin Laden Just Propaganda?

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The discussion revolves around President Bush's critique of Osama Bin Laden, particularly focusing on whether his statements can be classified as propaganda. Participants analyze the implications of Bush's language, the definition of tyranny, and the political context surrounding the U.S. actions in Iraq and the broader Middle East.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that Bush's statements are empty propaganda, reflecting more on his administration than on Bin Laden.
  • Others challenge the classification of Bin Laden as a tyrant, suggesting that he does not meet the criteria due to his lack of formal rule and reliance on religious fanaticism rather than fear.
  • There is a suggestion that Bush's use of the term "tyrant" indicates a misunderstanding of its proper usage.
  • Some participants express skepticism about Bush's claims regarding the U.S. being "invaded" in 2001, describing it as a stretch of the truth for political purposes.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of U.S. foreign policy and the characterization of Middle Eastern countries as democracies when they are backed dictatorships.
  • Participants question the effectiveness of online resources for extremist training and the broader implications for violence in democratic societies.
  • There are references to Bush's language comprehension issues, with some participants recalling past parodies of his speech.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on whether Bush's statements are propaganda or a misapplication of terminology. Disagreement exists regarding the characterization of Bin Laden and the implications of U.S. foreign policy.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in definitions and the political context, noting that the discussion relies on subjective interpretations of language and political actions without resolving the underlying complexities.

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Do you agree? Quite a statement. In my opinion, nothing but empty propaganda from Bush. The ironic thing is that much of what he says simply reflects on himself.

This article from Japan Times concludes key quotes.
http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&id=351458

Here are my own favorite highlights taken from the official transcript from WhiteHouse.gov. For those who missed it. FoxNews.com still has a video recording.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/10/20051006-3.html

Bush on Tyrants
Throughout history, tyrants and would-be tyrants have always claimed that murder is justified to serve their grand vision -- and they end up alienating decent people across the globe.

Bush on Giving Iraq to Bin Laden from Saddam
Would the United States and other free nations be more safe, or less safe, with Zarqawi and bin Laden in control of Iraq, its people, and its resources? Having removed a dictator who hated free peoples, we will not stand by as a new set of killers, dedicated to the destruction of our own country, seizes control of Iraq by violence.
 
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A tyrant is a ruler who uses fear to maintain control. First off, bin laden doesn't rule much, and secondly I think his main technique is fanatical religion, not fear.

Further proving Bush's inability to use english properly
 
I like the first quote. Seriously, I think he was subconsciously describing his own administration...
 
Archon said:
I like the first quote. Seriously, I think he was subconsciously describing his own administration...
Nothing Subconscious about it, nothing at all. {He is!}

How many Americans have died, so far, to Serve GB's Grand Vision of Re-building Iraq?
 
I particularly liked the part where he claimed the US had been 'invaded' in 2001.
 
So he can't count

anti_crank said:
I particularly liked the part where he claimed the US had been 'invaded' in 2001.

Yes well counting is something that...


Attacked yes, invaded? well, he seems to streeeeetch the truth a little to serve political purpose, resource aquisition.

Has anyone seen Bin Laden? is he still "confirmed-Confirmable" as Living?

Who has more Weapons of Mass Destruction available to them, Bin Laden, Or George Bush? so who then is the 'true' terrorist?

"So he can't count" can you?
 
I don't think this is an example of empty propaganda so much as it is Bush not knowing the proper usage of the term "tyrant."
 
loseyourname said:
I don't think this is an example of empty propaganda so much as it is Bush not knowing the proper usage of the term "tyrant."

Then he is an idiot.
 
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Burnsys said:
Then he is an idiot.

Not because of that...
 
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Burnsys said:
Then he is an idiot.

His lack of language comprehension isn't exactly a new thing. You should have seen the exhibit they had in West Hollywood on Halloween in 2000, just before he was elected the first time. It was a parody of a haunted house, but instead of being attacked by ghouls and goblins, every time you turned a corner, you were besieged by a bevy of W quotations. I really miss going to that Halloween parade every year.
 
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It's not surprising he mislabels Bin Laden a tyrant. After all, he spent four years mislabelling himself as a President.
 
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First, these extremists want to end American and Western influence in the broader Middle East, because we stand for democracy and peace. ...
... Over the past few decades, radicals have specifically targeted Egypt, and Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan

Wait a minute, Saudi Arabia and pakistan are not democracys, they are US backed DICATORSHIPS! What is he talking about?

Instead of attending faraway training camps, recruits can now access online training libraries to learn how to build a roadside bomb, or fire a rocket-propelled grenade -- and this further spreads the threat of violence, even within peaceful democratic societies.

Internet is dangerouuuusssss.

Like the ideology of communism, our new enemy teaches that innocent individuals can be sacrificed to serve a political vision, And this explains their cold-blooded contempt for human life

is he talking about Colateral Damage?
 

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