Is Canada a Safer Alternative After Zimmerman Verdict?

[AnTiFreeze3]

I think this will somehow make its way to supreme court as a federal challenge to all the state "stand your ground" laws.

As it has been mentioned previously in this thread, the Stand-your-ground law was never even mentioned in court during the Zimmerman trial. This would be highly unlikely. There are certainly similarities between the law, and the occurrence between Zimmerman and Martin, and I'm all for any discussion of the Stand-your-ground law that this case has instigated, but the Supreme Court would be incapable of making a decision about the Stand-your-ground law by using a case that doesn't involve the Stand-your-ground law.

 

[BobG]

I'll get back to some earlier statements, but right now I'm watching an AC360 interview with a juror. Some excerpts:

That's an interesting juror. A video of the entire 20-minute voir dire is on line (only the audio of the prospective jurors is filmed). She doesn't trust the media and seems to actively avoid all news (I wonder if she votes? In fact, I almost wonder if she ever met Dr Walter Freeman).

She also seemed very eager to serve on the jury. While she doesn't follow the news, she does watch the Today show - she had already made arrangements that if she was selected for jury duty, her husband would tape the show every morning and then edit all of the news out of it for her. She had already made arrangements to have her husband and daughters care for her pets if the jury was sequestered (she doesn't know how many pets she has).

Why Did They Let Her on the Zimmerman Jury?

Suddenly, the knock-knock joke attorney West made during opening arguments almost makes sense.

 

[phoenix:\\]

The riots in LA and elsewhere are just ridiculous. People really need to get a mind of their own and not blindly follow what the media tells them; it isn't exactly a revelation that news outlets nowadays are a far cry from Walter Kronkite's CBS. Sheeple, sheeple everywhere.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/07/16/about_those_riots.html

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blo...an-verdict-riots-trayvon-martin-protests.html

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...merman-ve/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

http://www.bakersfieldnow.com/news/local/George-Zimmerman-riots-LA-to-deploy-more-police-to-prevent-disturbances-215757451.html

http://rt.com/usa/california-zimmerman-protest-police-152/

The last link details that it was pockets of violent protestors engaging in acts of criminal behavior.

I would like to see your sources though because I looked to see these "riots" you spoke of, but couldn't find anything substantiating your claim.

P.S.

There is always instigators capitalizing on events such as this, not all protests are peaceful demonstrations. Some jerk will try to make it more than it has to be.

 

[Tosh5457]

--Trayvon who has been regularly depicted in the media as younger and practically a saint, was actually suspended from school, not for being absent, but for having drugs and possible stolen goods at school. While he no doubt also had his sweet side, his twitter handle was “No_Limit_Nigga” filled with gangsta nonsense, and the only racial slurs ever uttered in the case were said by Trayvon and not Zimmerman.

That's funny, by how media depicted him it made him look like a saint who could never hurt anyone... The case is closed, justice was made, end of story.

 

[Evo]

Half of the jury believed that Zimmerman was guilty, but ultimately resigned to aquit him due to the wording of the law.

As they began deliberating in George Zimmerman’s murder trial, three of the six jurors wanted to acquit him while the other three wanted to convict him of either murder or manslaughter, one of the jurors said.

The six-woman jury ultimately voted to acquit Zimmerman in the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/zimmerman-juror-says-sanford-detective-made-big-impression-planning-to-write-a-book/2013/07/15/ce4afbb2-edb1-11e2-bb32-725c8351a69e_story.html

Also, four other members of the jury wanted it known that they did not agree with the juror that sided with Zimmerman in an interview the other day.

Four of the jurors in George Zimmerman's murder trial distanced themselves late Tuesday from statements that another juror made in a televised interview.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/17/zimmerman-jurors-request-privacy-in-statement/#ixzz2ZK8Kb3qQ

 

[OmCheeto]

It appeared that the attackers were loosely organised through social media, including some internet messages urging people to gather in Hollywood ``to riot,'' Valois said.

I haven't followed this case at all, as it appeared to be trivial, from my perspective.

I once saw a movie called "Mindwalk", where one of the lead characters described how 35,000 children, under the age of 5, die, every day, from starvation or disease. That was a big number, and that was many years ago. My response, to every media death since then, is based on that number.

It is tragic that Trayvon was killed that night, and I will never have words to comfort his parents, but the entire ensuing circus has struck me as a first world media/social sickness.

Kill your flat screens... Please.

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gPjGuC6CFQ​

Good night Trayvon.

I will come visit you very soon, and we will dance.

 

[pftest]

Heres how i look at the situation:

A standup guy (Zimmerman) is trying to protect a neighbourhood, he sees a suspicious looking individual (Martin), follows him and then approaches him. Martin viciously attacks him and Zimmerman defends himself with his gun. I think if Martin were still alive, he should be put in jail.

 

[BobG]

Heres how i look at the situation:

A standup guy (Zimmerman) is trying to protect a neighbourhood, he sees a suspicious looking individual (Martin), follows him and then approaches him. Martin viciously attacks him and Zimmerman defends himself with his gun. I think if Martin were still alive, he should be put in jail.

The problem with this is that there is no proof that Martin viciously attacked him. There's only proof that Martin was winning the fight once it started.

Of course, there's also no proof Zimmerman viciously attacked Martin, either; hence the "not guilty" verdict.

Plus, I have a small problem with a stand up guy with no professional training playing policeman in a residential neighborhood with a loaded gun. There's a difference between being attacked while minding your own business and being attacked because you intentionally put yourself into potentially dangerous situations that you have neither the training nor the authority to handle. I don't feel Zimmerman committed a crime, but I do feel Zimmerman acted irresponsibly.

 

[Evo]

The problem with this is that there is no proof that Martin viciously attacked him. There's only proof that Martin was winning the fight once it started.

Actually, there is no proof of Martin winning either, IMO. For all we know, Zimmerman had his gun out already, either hoping to keep an upper hand when he confronted Martin, or to just scare him. This could be why the two began struggling (per an eye witness ) who then heard a man screaming for help, (possibly Martin since George had a gun), and when Martin popped him in the nose the one time, Zimmerman panicked and shot, IMO. Zimmerman said that Martin tried to grab the gun from him. I've already posted links to these. The thing is, the only person alive that knows is Zimmerman. No one heard Zimmerman say "stop or I'll shoot" either, IIRC. If he had, Martin might have backed away and run again, and Zimmerman upset about getting punched in the nose a second time might not be willing to go after him again. IMO.

 

[russ_watters]

Actually, there is no proof of Martin winning either, IMO.

You mean besides the blood, broken nose and eyewitnesses who said martin was on top, right...?

 

[Evo]

You mean besides the blood, broken nose and eyewitnesses who said martin was on top, right...?

CBS/AP - A Jacksonville medical examiner on Tuesday testified that George Zimmerman had "insignificant" injuries that didn't appear to result from multiple impacts against concrete.

"The individual who examined him and treated Mr. Zimmerman told him sutures were not required," Rao said. "She put a BandAid on each of them, and that was the extent of the treatment."

Answering questions from prosecutors, Rao said she believed the injuries were too minor to be consistent with repeated slamming on a sidewalk.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57592031-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-jacksonville-medical-examiner-says-zimmermans-injuries-from-altercation-were-insignificant/

Good was the first person to testify that he thought he saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman, and that it was Zimmerman who may have been crying out for help from underneath. His testimony contradicts witness Selma Mora, now a Miami resident, who testified Thursday that she thought she saw Zimmerman on top during the scuffle.

Good stopped short, however, of saying that he saw the person on top throwing punches or slamming the other man’s head on the sidewalk, as Zimmerman contends Trayvon did to him.

Seems Good corroborates Rao's expert testimony that Zimmerman was not repeatedly beaten. Her testimony is that his injuries indicate one blow to the nose.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/06/28/3475059/state-presses-on-in-george-zimmerman.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Evo]

Can we just call it quits yet? Zimmerman was acquitted. Ok, there is conflicting eyewitness testimony. An eye witness for the defense says Martin was on top but Zimmerman was not being attacked. The jury was split, half felt that he was guilty of either 2nd degree murder or manslaughter, but finally conceded to acquit based on technical wording of the law. Forensic experts and photos show very minor injuries to Zimmmerman that look like he received one punch to the nose that perhaps knocked him backwards. I have already posted the articles and testimony.

What is all of the continuing hate against a dead child supposed to accomplish? Zimmerman was arrested for both domestic abuse and attacking a police officer, he's no angel, (for those intent to make Travon out to be a bad kid). He wasn't the best, but neither was the self appointed armed vigilante. Who went after him against the neighborhood watch rules and the advice of police dispatch.

Enough?

 

[Astronuc]

Enough?

Enough.