Is Changing to Polar Coordinates Always Valid for Double Integrals?

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The discussion revolves around the validity of changing from rectangular to polar coordinates in double integrals, particularly in the context of potential ambiguities and the correctness of transformations. Participants explore theoretical implications, mathematical reasoning, and the nature of coordinate systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a double integral and questions whether changing to polar coordinates is always valid, noting that both integrals diverge.
  • Another participant asserts that while one can change from rectangular to polar coordinates, the transformation provided is incorrect, specifically regarding the coefficient.
  • A different participant raises a concern about the relationship between the area of a circle and a square, questioning the assurance that integrals over different shapes yield equivalent results.
  • Another participant clarifies that rectangular coordinates do not necessarily trace out rectangles and polar coordinates do not necessarily trace out circles, emphasizing the importance of adjusting bounds and integrands appropriately when changing coordinates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity and correctness of coordinate transformations in double integrals. There is no consensus on whether the change to polar coordinates can be made without ambiguity.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for careful consideration of bounds and integrands when changing coordinate systems, indicating that assumptions about area equivalence may not hold universally.

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An integral paradox ??

let be [tex]\int_{0}^{\infty}xdx \int_{0}^{\infty}ydy[/tex]

changing to polar coordinates we get that the double integral above shoudl be

[tex]2\int_{0}^{\infty}r^{3}dr[/tex]

althoguh they are all divergent , is this true can we ALWAYS make a change of variable to polar coordinates without any ambiguity ??
 
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One can always change from rectangular to polar coordinates. However the transformation you gave is incorrect. The coefficient is not 2 but 1/2.
 


am.. thanks a lot

but my question is, the Area of a Circle is NOT equal to the area of an Square [tex]\frac{C}{S}= \pi[/tex]

hence , how could we be completely sure [tex]\iint _{C} f(x,y)dxdy = \iint _{S} f(x,y)dxdy[/tex]
 


Rectangular coordinates don't necessarily trace out rectangles and Polar coordinates don't necessarily trace out Circles in the xy plane. The path they trace out is predetermined by a rule, eg To describe the path of the unit circle in rectangular coordinates we say x^2+y^2 = 1, and the same path could be described in polar coordinates with x= cos t, y= sin t, t varies from 0 to 2pi.

It's your job to change the bounds and integrand of the integral accordingly when change coordinates so that they still sum the same overall function values over the same domain.
 

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