Is CNG Level Sensor Calibrated for Stored Temperature?

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The discussion revolves around the calibration and measurement methods for CNG (compressed natural gas) level sensors in storage cylinders, focusing on the relationship between pressure, temperature, and the determination of gas quantity. The scope includes technical explanations and conceptual clarifications regarding sensor types and measurement techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the level of CNG in a cylinder may be determined by pressure measurements, while others question the accuracy of such measurements without considering temperature.
  • One participant suggests that knowing both pressure and temperature is essential for determining the mass of gas remaining in the cylinder.
  • Another participant clarifies that pressure alone is insufficient for measuring quantity unless the gas is in a superheated state, distinguishing between CNG and LNG (liquefied natural gas).
  • Questions arise regarding the types of level sensors available for CNG cylinders, indicating a need for further information on measurement technologies.
  • Participants discuss the feasibility of measuring temperature using devices like thermocouples, with a focus on installation specifics in storage cylinders at CNG stations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the adequacy of pressure measurements alone for determining gas quantity, with some emphasizing the necessity of temperature data. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best methods for accurately measuring CNG levels.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty about the specific types of level sensors applicable to CNG cylinders and the conditions under which pressure measurements can accurately reflect gas quantity. The discussion also highlights the distinction between measuring gaseous and liquid states of natural gas.

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Hey,
As all of u know CNG Level sensor gives an output of level of CNG in the cylinder. Do pressure of CNG in cylinder is caliberated level ?
 
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Welcome to PF, Signorvivek. I'm afraid that I'm not entirely sure what your question is. Are you asking if the level is determined by a pressure measurement?
I don't know about the type of installation you're referring to. For 'household' size propane tanks, it goes by either the weight of the tank or the temperature on the outside (it's colder where the liquid is). Other systems have a float mechanism inside the tank that sends a signal to the gauge. I don't know how accurately you could determine the amount of fuel by the pressure alone.
 
now i don't know anything about how do you sense the amount of fuel left in the CNG tank(or cylinder), but i guess knowing the pressure and temperature inside the cylinder will let one know the amount(mass i mean) of gas left.
 
The pressure of a container holding a saturated fluid won't tell you anything about quantity. The fluid has to be superheated (ie: in a gas phase) in order for the pressure to correspond to a quantity.

I'd assume you're referring to CNG (CH4) being stored as a compressed, superheated gas, so yes - pressure would correspond to mass, but if you're referring to LNG, which is generally the saturated fluid, then no, the pressure won't correspond to mass.

Note that LNG is just CH4 that's been liquified at roughly -259 F or -162 C, and thus is stored as a cryogenic liquid.
 
As u are telling temperature is also a parameter other than pressure for measuring level in the CNG Cylinder...
So i must have a pressure sensor and temperature sensor for measuring Level in cylinder.
 
Can you tell me what are the different types of Level sensors available for CNG cylinder?
 
CNG is "compressed natural gas", it is gasseous at ambient temperature. Saying there's a "level" implies a liquid level, so please verify we're talking about a gas.

To measure the total mass of a gas in a container, you need to know the pressure, temperature and volume of the container. You could also measure the mass on a weight scale, but that's very rarely done. I don't know of any other way to measure mass in a cylinder.
 
Any one can tell me how to measure the temperature of CNG in a cylinder.
 
How about with a thermocouple? Measuring temperature is easy compared to some other metrics...
 
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But where the device be installed. I am talking about the temperature of CNG that is stored in storage cylinder in a CNG Station
 

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