Is D(x,t) = ln(ax+bt) a solution to the wave function?

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The discussion revolves around whether the displacement function D(x,t) = ln(ax+bt), where a and b are constants, qualifies as a solution to the wave equation. Participants explore the characteristics of wave functions and the implications of the given form of D(x,t).

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the need to take derivatives of D(x,t) and substitute them into the wave equation. There is uncertainty about the oscillatory nature of the function and its compatibility with wave behavior.

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Some participants have made attempts to compute the second derivatives and relate them to the wave equation, while others have pointed out errors in these calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of the conditions under which D(x,t) can be considered a solution, with some guidance provided on the general form of solutions to the wave equation.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. There is also a focus on clarifying misunderstandings regarding the nature of wave functions.

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Homework Statement


Show that the displacement D(x,t) = ln(ax+bt), where a and b are constants, is a solution to the wave function.

Homework Equations


I'm not sure which one to use:
D(x,t) = Asin(kx+ωt+φ)
2D/∂t2 = v2⋅∂2D/∂x2

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm completely lost on where to start with this one. I'm not sure how it's even possible, considering a wave is supposed to be an oscillating function and this solution would not give an oscillating displacement. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!
 
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You are thinking of harmonic waves. Here you are asked to show that D(x,t) = ln(ax+bt) is a solution to the wave equation. Just take the derivatives, substitute in the wave equation and forget Asin(kx+ωt+φ). The wave equation has more solutions than just sines and cosines.
 
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I suppose you should start with wave equation in one dimension, i.e.
$$\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial t^2}=\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x^2}$$,
and show that the equation is satisfied for ##u(x,t)=D(x,t)##.
 
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Ok, I understand. This is what I have so far:

ln(ax+bt) = D(x,t)

2D/∂t2 = b22/(ax+bt)

2D/∂x2 = a2/(ax+bt)

b2/(ax+bt) = v2 a2/(ax+bt)
This is true as long as v = b2/a2

Do you think that this is enough for an answer?
 
Jamie_Pi said:
Ok, I understand. This is what I have so far:

ln(ax+bt) = D(x,t)

2D/∂t2 = b22/(ax+bt)

2D/∂x2 = a2/(ax+bt)

b2/(ax+bt) = v2 a2/(ax+bt)
This is true as long as v = b2/a2

Do you think that this is enough for an answer?
It is the right method, but your second derivatives are incorrect. Take it one step at a time.
 
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∂2D/∂t2 = -b2/(ax+bt)2

∂2D/∂x2 = -a2/(ax+bt)2

b2/(ax+bt) = v2 a2/(ax+bt)

I think this is correct this time.
 
Jamie_Pi said:
∂2D/∂t2 = -b2/(ax+bt)2

∂2D/∂x2 = -a2/(ax+bt)2

b2/(ax+bt) = v2 a2/(ax+bt)

I think this is correct this time.
Not quite. The second line is right, but not the third.
 
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Oh I see, I just wrote it in wrong. If the first two are correct, then the last one should just be:

b2/(ax+bt)2 = v2 a2/(ax+bt)2

where v2 = b2/a2
 
Jamie_Pi said:
Oh I see, I just wrote it in wrong. If the first two are correct, then the last one should just be:

b2/(ax+bt)2 = v2 a2/(ax+bt)2

where v2 = b2/a2
Right.
 
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It is generally true that any function of the form ##f(ax \pm bt)## is a solution to the wave equation.
Proof: Define ##u=ax \pm bt##. Then $$\frac{\partial f}{\partial t}=\frac{\partial f}{\partial u} \frac{\partial u}{\partial t}=\pm b\frac{\partial f}{\partial u} \\ \frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial t^2}=+b^2\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial u^2}$$Similarly, $$\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial x^2}=a^2\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial u^2}$$Substitute in the wave equation to get $$b^2\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial u^2}=v^2a^2\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial u^2}~\Rightarrow~b^2=v^2a^2.$$ Thus, the function is a solution to the wave equation if the speed of propagation is identified as ##v=\pm (b/a)##. The top (##+##) sign is used for waves propagating in the decreasing x-direction as time evolves and the bottom (##-##) is used for waves propagating in the increasing x-direction.
 
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