Is differentiation a possible approach?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the impact of changing a drag coefficient 'b' on the velocity of an object over time, particularly in the context of terminal velocity and drag forces. Participants explore the use of differentiation to analyze this relationship, considering both the derivative of velocity with respect to 'b' and the implications of changes in 'b' on the rate of change of velocity over time.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether using differentiation is appropriate for understanding how changes in the drag coefficient 'b' affect the velocity function over time.
  • Another participant clarifies that the derivative of velocity with respect to 'b' indicates the rate of change of velocity as 'b' changes, but this may not directly address the original question regarding how quickly terminal velocity is reached.
  • A participant expresses confusion about interpreting the derivative and seeks clarification on how to determine if velocity changes over time faster for different values of 'b'.
  • There is a suggestion that the second derivative may be relevant for understanding whether the rate of change itself is increasing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the best approach to analyze the effect of 'b' on velocity. There are multiple interpretations of how differentiation applies to the problem, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective method to address the question.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the relationship between the derivative and the behavior of the velocity function over time, particularly in the context of varying 'b'. There are also unresolved questions about the implications of the second derivative.

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Question:
I have a function of time. Its expression has a constant 'b' in it. I am asked to ascertain how changing 'b' affects the function.

Specifically, I have velocity as a function of time which accounts for drag forces; 'b' is the drag coefficient. I am asked to ascertain how changing 'b' affects how quickly terminal velocity is attained.

Attempt 1:
I understand that Calculus is the study of change. I am tempted to employ it. Hence, I obtained the derivative of the velocity function [tex]\frac{dv}{db}[/tex]

Trouble:
My limited understanding also tells me 'derivatives' help me determine how quickly a function changes given a change in one of its variables. I doubt if that's what my velocity-b context is demanding.

Attempt 2:
I have also labored through studying [tex]v(t)[/tex] graphs for different values of 'b'.

Trouble:
I am not in favor of the method from Attempt 2 since it's labor-intensive and, perhaps, crude (do you agree?).Any guidance as to how to address this question would be greatly appreciated.wirefree
 
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The derivative of v with respect to b ([itex]\partial v/\partial b[/itex]) while holding other variables or parameters constant is the "rate of change of v as b changes".
 
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Appreciate the response, HallsofIvy. It has prompted me to consider the situation.

The derivative of v with respect to b while holding other variables or parameters constant, or the rate of change of v as b changes, if positive, will indicate that v increases as b increases. But that's not what the question concerns itself with. To restate it: for different values of b, does v change over time faster?

How do I address such a situation, please?

Regards,
wirefree
 
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Would appreciate some guidance on how to interpret the above expression.

Regards,
wirefree
 
wirefree said:
Appreciate the response, HallsofIvy. It has prompted me to consider the situation.

The derivative of v with respect to b while holding other variables or parameters constant, or the rate of change of v as b changes, if positive, will indicate that v increases as b increases. But that's not what the question concerns itself with. To restate it: for different values of b, does v change over time faster?
Faster than what? Or do you mean that the rate of change itself is increasing? That will be true when the second derivative is positive.

How do I address such a situation, please?

Regards,
wirefree
 

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