Is Entropy Extensive in an Ideal Solid?

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Homework Statement


Starting from S(E,N)=c(N)+3Nk[1+LN([itex]\frac{E}{3Nh\nu}[/itex])], derive a version of the Entropy, S(E,N) of an ideal solid that is extensive, that is, for which S([itex]\lambda[/itex]E,[itex]\lambda[/itex]N)=[itex]\lambda[/itex]S(E,N)


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The Attempt at a Solution


Basically have to prove that S([itex]\lambda[/itex]E,[itex]\lambda[/itex]N)=[itex]\lambda[/itex]S(E,N).

I can set it up, but I don't know how to eliminate terms to get to a form I can work with.
 
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I have it setup like this:

S(λ E,λ N)=λ S(E,N)

c(λN)+3(λN)k[1+ln[itex]\frac{λE}{3(λN)h\nu}[/itex]]=λ{c(N)+3Nk[1+ln[itex]\frac{E}{3Nh\nu}[/itex]]


But 1. I don't know how to reduce the left side, and
2. when I distribute λ through the right side, is it on everything ending up looking like this: c(λN)+λ(3Nk)[λ+ln[itex]\frac{λE}{λ(3Nh\nu)}[/itex]]? Or something else...
 
cstang52 said:
ending up looking like this: [itex]c(λN)+λ(3Nk)[λ+ln\frac{λE}{λ(3Nh\nu)}][/itex]
There's one too many lambdas in there:
[itex]c(λN)+λ(3Nk)[1+ln\frac{λE}{λ(3Nh\nu)}][/itex]