Is equation 2.180 an example of equation 2.179 in Ryder's QFT?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the relationship between equations 2.179 and 2.180 in Ryder's Quantum Field Theory (QFT), particularly in the context of Lorentz transformations and their implications in the derivation of certain equations.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to differentiate Lorentz transformation equations with respect to velocity, questioning the validity of treating position as a constant during differentiation. Other participants suggest exploring the Euler-Lagrange equations as a potential avenue for understanding the relationships involved.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing insights into the nature of the variables involved in the Lorentz transformation. There is a recognition of the need for clarity regarding the relationship between the variables, and some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the equations.

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There is mention of the difficulty in reproducing complex equations due to formatting issues, and a concern about the accessibility of the discussion for those without the Ryder text. The relationship between the variables in the Lorentz transformation is under scrutiny, with participants questioning assumptions about their interdependence.

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I'm sorry, but the formulae pertinent to this question are too difficult for my spotty knowledge of tex. This means that the only people who can help me with this are those who have a copy of Ryder's QFT available.

Homework Statement


My problem comes from page 58 of Ryder's QFT. I think the text is asking me to show that equation 2.180 is an example of equation 2.179 with an appropriate choice of a^\alpha.

Homework Equations


Too complicated for me to reproduce. Please refer to the book if you have it.

The Attempt at a Solution


Actually, I have a solution for this by differentiating the Lorentz transformation equations with respect to v and treating x as a constant. For instance:
x' = \gamma(x + vt)
\frac{\partial}{\partial v}(x + vt)(1-v^2)^{-1/2}|(v = 0) = t(1-v^2)^{-1/2} + (x + vt)v(1-v^2)^{-3/2}|(v = 0) = t
I just feel funny about treating x as a constant when take the derivative with respect to v. If its wrong, what direction should I go? If it's right, why is it allowed to ignore the relation between x and \dot x?
 
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I don't have Ryder handy, but see "Euler-Lagrange equations". This is calculus of variations. It gives you a differential equation and the correct relation between x and x' will fall out in the end since it's built into the derivation.
 
Dick said:
I don't have Ryder handy, but see "Euler-Lagrange equations". This is calculus of variations. It gives you a differential equation and the correct relation between x and x' will fall out in the end since it's built into the derivation.
Thanks Dick, I will look into this. The equation I am working with is a straightforward partial derivative. I hope your reply will not turn away people who do have a copy of the Ryder book.
 
jimmysnyder said:
Thanks Dick, I will look into this. The equation I am working with is a straightforward partial derivative. I hope your reply will not turn away people who do have a copy of the Ryder book.

Sorry. I'm looking at Ryder now, and it's not EL at all. But I'm not sure why you are worried either. v parametrizes the Lorentz transformation. x is just a variable in the transformation. They don't have much to do with each other. x isn't given to be a function of time, so you can't identify x' with v.
 
Dick said:
Sorry. I'm looking at Ryder now, and it's not EL at all. But I'm not sure why you are worried either. v parametrizes the Lorentz transformation. x is just a variable in the transformation. They don't have much to do with each other. x isn't given to be a function of time, so you can't identify x' with v.
Thanks Dick, I will ponder this for a while until I understand it. Are you saying that my derivation above is correct?
 
jimmysnyder said:
Thanks Dick, I will ponder this for a while until I understand it. Are you saying that my derivation above is correct?

It looks fine.
 
Dick said:
It looks fine.
Thanks again. I see what you mean about x being a variable in the transformation and not a function of time.
 
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