Is Every Interval of the Real Line Connected?

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter jdstokes
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Interval
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the question of whether every interval of the real line is connected, specifically in the context of proving that intervals cannot be expressed as a disjoint union of two non-empty open subsets. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to topology.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • James presents a proof attempt involving an interval X and two open sets U and V, questioning how to show that a certain point N - eta/2 is in U.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the definition of N, suggesting that it seems to be treated as a point rather than a set, and proposes an alternative approach involving the boundary of U.
  • A later reply clarifies that N is actually the supremum of a certain set, indicating a correction in the understanding of N's role.
  • Another participant suggests utilizing the intermediate value theorem and notes that a set is connected if every continuous function from it to the two-point set {0,1} is constant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach consensus on the proof or the definitions involved, with multiple competing views and suggestions for approaching the problem remaining unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of definitions, particularly regarding the treatment of N, and the discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions about the properties of open sets.

jdstokes
Messages
520
Reaction score
1
Hi all,

I'm having difficulty proving that all intervals of the real line are
connected in the sense that they cannot be decomposed as a disjoint
union of two non-empty open subsets.

Here is the "proof":

Suppose X is an interval and

X = (X intersect U) union (X intersect V)

where U,V are open and

X intersect U intersect V = emptyset

Suppose also we have points a in X intersect U and b in X intersect V with a < b.

Let N = { t | [a,t] \subseteq U }
Then
1. a <= N
2. N < b
3. N in X (since and X is an interval)

If N is in U, then since U is open we can find an open interval (N -
epsilon,N + epsilon) about N which is contained in U. Thus [a, N +
epsilon/2] is contained in U which is a contradiction. Therefore N
must be in V. Then [N-eta,N] is contained in V for some eta.

Now, if N - eta/2 is in U, the we have a contradiction since it is also in V and X.

How do I show that N - eta/2 is in U?

Thanks in advance,

James
 
Physics news on Phys.org
I don't understand what your N is. When you write "Let N = { t | [a,t] \subseteq U }", it sounds like N is a set but then you go an treat it like a point.

Here's a suggestion. Suppose the interval is I and that its inf is a and sup is b. Suppose also that I is not connected and that U,V are open subsets of I, neither of which is void and with UuV=I and UnV=void.

1° Show that the boundary of U must contain a point p other that a and b, otherwise, U is I itself, which would make V void, which is a contradiction.

2° p must then be in V. How does this imply that V is not open?
 
Oops, N = sup { t | [a,t] \subseteq U }.
 
you need something to work with, like the intermediate value theorem.

then you can use the easy fact that a set is connected if every continuous function from it to the 2 point set {0,1} is constant.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
3K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
4K