Is Faraday's Law Always Zero?

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The discussion centers around Faraday's Law of electromagnetic induction and its implications regarding the electric field in different contexts, specifically comparing electrostatics and electrodynamics.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the conditions under which the electric field is considered curl-free and question why Faraday's Law does not yield zero in scenarios involving moving charges.

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Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between static and dynamic electric fields, noting that the electric field can be influenced by changing magnetic fields. The conversation is ongoing, with questions about terminology and concepts being raised.

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There is an underlying assumption regarding the definitions of curl-free fields and the conditions of electrostatics versus electrodynamics that participants are examining.

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ok so Faraday's Law says that

[itex]\oint_C \vec{E} \cdot \vec{dr} = -\frac{\partial}{\partial t} \int_S \vec{B} \cdot \vec{dA}[/itex]

but we know that [itex]\vec{E}=-\nabla \varphi[/itex]

and so [itex]\oint_C \vec{E} \cdot \vec{dr} =-\oint_C \nabla \times \nabla \varphi \cdot \vec{dA}=0[/itex] by Stokes' Theorem.

therefore, why isn't the RHS of Farady's Law just 0 all the time?
 
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Haha, I had this exact same question the first time I took E&M

The electric field is only curl free in electro statics, when there are NO moving charges. When there ARE moving charges the electric field is no longer curl free, and obeys Faraday's law.

In the terms you presented, in electro statics the E field is due to a gradient of a scalar potential; however, in electro-dynamics, where charges can move, the E field is due to a gradient of a scalar as well as the time derivative of the vector potential. Thus, the closed line integral of E is no longer required to be 0.

In deeper terms, the electric field is not just due to static charges, but also due to changing magnetic fields. This is exactly what Faraday's law is trying to say.
 
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i thought it might be that. what do you mean by curl free?
 
Curl free means that the curl of the field is zero.
 

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