Is Faster than Light Travel Possible for Objects with Less Mass than a Proton?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of faster-than-light travel for objects with mass less than that of a proton. Participants explore theoretical implications, the nature of photons, and the concept of mass in relation to speed, with references to existing theories and hypothetical particles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that photons have no rest mass and cannot gain mass as they accelerate, contradicting the initial claim that they gain mass.
  • There is a suggestion that if a particle with a rest mass lower than that of a photon existed, it could theoretically travel faster than light, although this is met with skepticism regarding the existence of such particles.
  • Participants mention Tachyons, hypothetical particles that could travel faster than light, but note that they are not considered real by some in the discussion.
  • It is stated that nothing can travel faster than light in a vacuum, but particles can exceed the speed of light in other mediums, referencing Cherenkov radiation as an example.
  • One participant humorously suggests a method to reduce mass through dieting, while another raises a serious question about the theoretical reduction of mass relative to surroundings.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the nature of light, with some participants emphasizing that light can be described as both particles and waves, but caution against conflating these concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement on several points, particularly regarding the nature of mass and the implications for faster-than-light travel. There is no consensus on the possibility of objects with mass less than that of a proton traveling faster than light, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about mass and speed are challenged, but the discussion does not resolve the underlying assumptions or definitions related to mass and speed limits.

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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know:

1. Photons have no mass at rest, but gain mass as they accelerate, like all objects (although it is an extremely small amount).

2. Light is composed of Photons traveling in waves.

3. It is theoretically impossible for an object to travel at the speed of light, due to the fact that all objects gain mass as they accelerate towards the speed of light.

Assuming the above is correct, in theory, wouldn't it be possible for an object whose mass is less than that of a proton to travel faster than the speed of light? What I'm proposing, is that the speed of light is not the universal speed limit, but that the photon is simply the smallest (or more specifically the "lightest") particle we have discovered, and that if there were to be an object smaller than a photon, it would have the potential to travel faster than light.

Now I may be 100% wrong, but this has been bothering me all day, so I felt the need to discuss this with somebody.
 
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Ninja Tang said:
Assuming the above is correct, in theory, wouldn't it be possible for an object whose mass is less than that of a proton to travel faster than the speed of light?
Assuming you meant photon here not proton.

Yes if something had a rest mass lower than the photon it could go faster than light, but since the rest mass of the photon is 0 it is unlikely. There are particles called Tachyons that have a negative rest mass and so can only go faster than light - but they are a mathematical game, there is no reason to believe they are real.

I think you are getting confused by a particles mass increasing as it nears the speed of light - this only applies to particles with a rest mass, the 'mass' of a photon doesn't increase - it is always zero.
 
Photons are strictly massless, and can not be accelerated. The speed of light in vacuum happens to coincide with the speed "limit" you refer to in your point 3 only because photons are massless.
 
Ninja Tang said:
Assuming the above is correct, in theory, wouldn't it be possible for an object whose mass is less than that of a proton to travel faster than the speed of light?

Nothing can travel faster than light in a vacuum (free space). However, in other mediums, where light travels at some fraction of "c", it is possible for other particles to travel faster than light, but not at speed "c". You might be interested in learning about Cerenkov radiation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation
 
Assuming you meant photon here not proton.
Oops, that was a miss type. I did mean photon.

Nothing can travel faster than light in a vacuum (free space). However, in other mediums, where light travels at some fraction of "c", it is possible for other particles to travel faster than light, but not at speed "c". You might be interested in learning about Cerenkov radiation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation
Thank you for the link, it helped me see the subject from a different point of view.


Another question though; Is there any method, either actual or theoretical, of reducing the mass of an object relative to it's surroundings?
 
Ninja Tang said:
Another question though; Is there any method, either actual or theoretical, of reducing the mass of an object relative to it's surroundings?

Yes, a diet :)
 
Ninja Tang said:
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know:

1. Photons have no mass at rest, but gain mass as they accelerate, like all objects (although it is an extremely small amount).
This is wrong in two ways. Photons have no mass- they have momentum, but no mass. Photons do not accelerate, they always move at the same speed.

2. Light is composed of Photons traveling in waves.
Well, light can be thought of as photons or waves. I would not say they were "photons traveling in waves".

3. It is theoretically impossible for an object to travel at the speed of light, due to the fact that all objects gain mass as they accelerate towards the speed of light.
That is one reason.

Assuming the above is correct, in theory, wouldn't it be possible for an object whose mass is less than that of a proton to travel faster than the speed of light? What I'm proposing, is that the speed of light is not the universal speed limit, but that the photon is simply the smallest (or more specifically the "lightest") particle we have discovered, and that if there were to be an object smaller than a photon, it would have the potential to travel faster than light.
That "lightest" particle has mass 0. If you are going to postulate a particle having lower mass, you are going to have to say what you mean by "negative mass"!

Now I may be 100% wrong, but this has been bothering me all day, so I felt the need to discuss this with somebody.
 

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