Lingusitics Is foul language the New Normal ?

[Andy]

Yes i am still young in the grand scheme of things 17 soon to be 18, and i won't get a mercedes for about another 17 years because of the insurance policy that mercedes have, as you can imagine it is very expensive to get insured on on a mercedes.

And to whom it may concern, i feel hostility from your posts because of the bad vibes that i receive from them, your posts give my good karma a bad feeling about it.

PS i can't remember moaning at you for not addressing someone by there proper name, show me thread to proove me wrong, but i really can't remember saying that.

 

[Dagenais]

So "foul mouthed" language, is it really as prevalent as some people would like us all to think? Or is it just a "social misnomer" inasmuch as some people do not realize that, outside of their circle of friends, things, like this kind of language, are NOT the norm.

Foul language is a way to express pain, suffering and anger through words. Nothing more.

I would rather one curse than result his anger through violence.

Words don't hurt as much as violence, no matter what Psychologists say. Those who are "internally damaged" by insults are just weak to begin with. Violence does a lot more than harm.

Many great books, wouldn't be as great without the cursing to show the anger of the characters. Michael Crichton has some cursing in his books.

The same with movies. Anyone seen Phone Booth? Quite a bit of cursing there which portrays the characters feelings to us.

I go to public school, soon probably private school so I encounter lots of cursing.

I encounter cursing on the Golf course and at home.

My father, who is a boss at a formal big-business office (where you would think no cursing occurs), occurs. No...they don't fire you, I doubt they would say anything at all.

Cursing happens in University as well.

The only place I would think that you would get consequences for it would be in...church?

vast majority would at least say "god dammit

No, the majority would say a 4 letter word. If one was shot in the leg or arm, they would say much more than "god damnit!". If they were still conscious of course.

 

[zoobyshoe]

Andy,
I'm surprised at how young you
are. I don't know why but I
pictured early twenties. Anyway
I do think it's a great thing
about the Mercedes apprenticeship.
I wasted many years, financially
speaking, in unskilled jobs.

I actually wouldn't want to
own a Mercedes unless I were so
rich the repairs and insurance
were a drop in the bucket. Some
people put their last penny into
their cars.

The interesting thing is that
one of the guys who lives here
in my building just bought a 20
year old Mercedes very, very
cheaply and it is in remarkably
good shape. It runs fairly well
and all it seems to need is a
new catalytic converter to make
it street legal. That is not an
expensive repair.

So, I may be able to borrow his
but, of course, Zantra is not
invited.

-Zoob

 

[zoobyshoe]

Kenny,

I don't think foul language is
a substitute for violence. I think
you're more likely to find foul
language and violence together
in an individual, and proper
language and non-violence togeth-
er.

There are always exceptions, but
usually people who are physically
violent also curse. It is also
possible to be verbally abusive
without using a single curse word.

Having said all that I have to
agree that being physically abused
is worse than being sworn at.

-Zoob

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by kenikov
Foul language is a way to express pain, suffering and anger through words. Nothing more.

I would agree with you, but I would remove one word, "language is a way to express pain, suffering and anger through words. Nothing more."[/color]

Foul language is/has been, a part of the societies that I have experienced as well, but I do sort of look to see if people control themselves at all, how much they actually can control themselves, actually.

Self discipline of the mind is certainly an important aspect of intellectual ability, and thus, pertinent to the aquisition of knowledge through both pathmanners, linguistic, and experiancial.
(And the combination of the two)

Originally posted by zoobyshoe
Having said all that I have to agree that being physically abused is worse than being sworn at.

That, well stated, needs clarity inasmuch as it is nessecary to remember that intellectual tortures still have effects upon humans, cursing at a person has potential(s), (But as zoobyshoe said...) but there is still the realm of furthered possibilities that lead to 'clear forms' of mental/psychological abuse, and to the potential degree of it being torture. (too far for most of us?)

Thankfully, clearly, foul language alone doesn't usually measure "to that degree" in anyone, other then the "perfectly innocent", AKA children.

 

[Andy]

I'm surprised at how young you
are. I don't know why but I
pictured early twenties. Anyway
I do think it's a great thing
about the Mercedes apprenticeship.
I wasted many years, financially
speaking, in unskilled jobs.

Thanks a lot zooby, i am really chuffed to get this job, about 3 weeks ago i didnt have a clue where i was going to be workin or what direction my life was going in but now it would appear that if all goes well then i could be sorted for life.

Origionally posted by kenny
Words don't hurt as much as violence, no matter what Psychologists say. Those who are "internally damaged" by insults are just weak to begin with. Violence does a lot more than harm.

I disagree with this in general, a lot of the time you will hear about young people commiting suicide because of mental abuse from other youths, where as severe physical violence is very rare for it to happen reguarly to the same person normally it is just because someone has got into a fight in a bar soemwhere and ended up in hospital but very rarely do they suffer much more abuse than that, whereas mental abuse tends to happen over a longer period and causes much mroe pain.

 

[zoobyshoe]

Andy,

Actually, there is a terrible
problem with family members
physically abusing other family
members over the course of many
years. Husbands beat their wives
up, fathers beat their children.
Sometimes mothers beat their
children.
The kind of scuffle in a bar you
mention isn't where the serious
problem lies.Off the topic: "Chuffed"? We don't
have that expression over here.
I get an idea of what it means
from the context but tell me.

-zoob

 

[Andy]

ah chuffed= isn't slang, not to my knowledge anyway, but it is a word that youths use in Britain it isn't used that much, almost never used by older people.

I didnt think about the abuse suffered by people over a long term like that, i was just making the point that mental abuse is quite often the reason for many suicides by youths. Basically we a saying that abuse of any kind is very serious and should never be used.

 

[Dagenais]

I disagree with this in general, a lot of the time you will hear about young people commiting suicide because of mental abuse from other youths, where as severe physical violence is very rare for it to happen reguarly to the same person normally it is just because someone has got into a fight in a bar soemwhere and ended up in hospital but very rarely do they suffer much more abuse than that, whereas mental abuse tends to happen over a longer period and causes much mroe pain.

No. Being sworn at is not as bad as being beaten. It is logic.

Who here would want to get stabbed and shot over being called an idiot?

The people who go through suicide usually had mental problems before, or much more than just insults thrown at them. Any Psychiastrist would vouch for this.

This is also true in sports. Insults in professional sports like the NBA happen every second on the court, but when a fight breaks out you are immediatly suspended. Why? Because a fight is more serious and worse.






I'm sure everyone here would take the latter, if they told the truth.

I also would not want to own a Mercedes, they seem kind of for old(er) people.

I still haven't gotten my first car yet, but hopefully I can convice my dad into getting me a BMW.

 

[zoobyshoe]

Andy,

I agree with your concluding state
ment about abuse.

You're right. I found chuffed in
the dictionary. I'd never heard
the word before.

-zoob

 

[Andy]

No. Being sworn at is not as bad as being beaten. It is logic.

Who here would want to get stabbed and shot over being called an idiot?{/QUOTE]

I have been punched by friends before on many occasions and i have punched friends on many occasions but we have still remain friends, but if a friend where to start taking the piss outta me because of who i am then i would take serious offence to that and probably neevr talk to them again.

But thinking about it friends call me a bastard every time i beat them at pool (cmdr_sponge) and i take no offence, i suppose what i am talking about is mental abuse rather than physical abuse and mental abuse doesn't have to involve swearing, where as i feel that mental abuse can be a lot worse than physical abuse, but this all depends on the severity of the physical abuse. some school children commit suicide by receiving constant mental abuse whilst at school and i know that i would rather by punched every day than recaive mental abuse everyday.

 

[zoobyshoe]

What Andy just said gave me a
realization about why physical
abuse is so bad: because it is
a physical manifestation of mental
abuse. It is mental abuse with the
added physical insult.

It is easier to get over physical
pain if there is no mental abuse
component to it.

However, too much physical pain,
from any cause, can also make a
person want to die. Even though
there is no mental abuse compo-
nent. I'm thinking of people
in pain from serious illness for
example. I've gotten food poison-
ing a couple times and felt so
bad I was sure death was where it
was going and wished it would
hurry up.

Zooby

 

[Dagenais]

So, everyday at school you would rather be ganged-up on, be beaten until you bleed then you go into class, then again the next day, you are beaten until you bleed for the rest of the school year every single day (predicting you don't die).

Instead of being insulted everyday, you would rather suffer the humiliation of being punched, kicked and beaten-up?

 

[Andy]

I never said beaten up, I said punched. I have experienced both of these in the form of phyical abuse and mental abuse and the mental abuse was the one that made me want to stay at home with fear that i would receive the same thing again. Whereas when i have been beaten up, not really beaten up just a bloody nose, i found that i didnt fear going back into school the next day, maybe that's just me though.

How many times do you hear about someone being beaten up every day, happens very rarely in the UK, most of the constant bullying that people receive is mental rather than physical.

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by kenikov
(SNIP) The people who go through suicide usually had mental problems before, or much more than just insults thrown at them. Any Psychiastrist would vouch for this. (SNoP)

This is just a little to broad a conclusion to be making, after all, it is known that people who quit marijuana, will get a bout of depression, timed depression, and an associated "suicidal feeling(s)" simply from there withdrawal from the use of the drug.

There is a difference between physical violence, and mental abuse.

For another thread, perhaps.....?

 

[Andy]

Back to the origional question i think that foul language is the new normal, although there is no need for it to be used it is just the way that our culture has developed over the years.

 

[Dagenais]

The difference between physical abuse is that it hurts, literally. Physical abuse hurts everyone.

Verbal abuse doesn't, in fact, less sensitive people don't find it at harm at all.

If I was beaten-up at school, I would fear going back for sure. Either that or I might get angry and plan a retaliation.

 

[Andy]

Verbal abuse gets too everyone some sooner others later, what you have to remember is that this thread was about foul language not verbal abuse, i agree that most people can receive insults in the form of bad language without caring.

Verbal abuse is an attack on the mind and like any attack if its well placed it is very affective, whereas foul language is just a release of frustration and anger towards something or somebody.

 

[Dagenais]

Not true. I can say verbal abuse cna never "get to" a few people.

The job of Comedians and other celebreties like Tom on The Best Damn Sports show. He never takes insults personally, Jerry Springer doesn't either. Jim Rome insults people and abuses them until he got punches in the face, he just laughs off their replies.

The deal is that verbal abuse is not as effective as physical abuse, that is why the punishment for physical abuse is much more.

 

[Andy]

Everyone has a week spot when it comes to mental abuse, just because they don't react ot verbal insults doesn't mean they are strong minded, if iw as paid not to react to insults then i never would, the fact is evryone has week spots mentally and if someone attacks that they would find it very uncomfortable.

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Sorry kenikov, but I would have to agree with Andy on this one.

I agree that there are people who appear to take it better, that is the manner of television broadcast, (the ability to edit helps too) but, as andy, and any true(r) espionage novel, will tell you, the mind has limitations in it's ability to with stand certain elements of communication.

Sadly though, I do find that Foul language is bifuracted in it's usage, sort of a love/hate relationship with the words use, by it's author/user. Bridges the ideas of "just Foul Language" and crosses into "Verbal/mental Abuse" a little to easily

That kind of game sort of leads to an opportunity for a Sly sort of abuse, that has some 'digs' to it, none the less.

Not the kindest way to play, with words. (thoughts/ideas, peoples brains/emotions)

 

[Dagenais]

Yes, everyone does have a weak spot, so what stops them from finding the insulter's own weak spot and eat away at it?

Everyone feels pain. Pain is much more prevalent and hurtful through violence. Serious injury, or even death can occur through violence.

All I am saying is, that violence is worse than being sworn at. Many of you would rather be mocked than shot.

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by kenikov
Yes, everyone does have a weak spot, so what stops them from finding the insulter's own weak spot and eat away at it?
Everyone feels pain. Pain is much more prevalent and hurtful through violence. Serious injury, or even death can occur through violence.
All I am saying is, that violence is worse than being sworn at. Many of you would rather be mocked than shot.

So kenikov, the choice is now yours, a life time of mockery, or shot in the leg, non-lethal, non-permenent injury, once...which would you choose?

 

[Andy]

Hvae you heard the stories about soldiers who have been shot and still faught on regardless of the fact that they have been shot. Yet how many soldiers can withstand the Mental Torture methods that are used by interogators.

 

[Dagenais]

Andy, interrogators use violence as well in war. They will torture you, and violence is just as common as verbal abuse.

If it was just words, they wouldn't break in war.

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Apparently you haven't heard of "White Noise", it's psychological effects have studied, and apparently it is an effective tool of torture for some prisoners. That is in complete absence of any physical violence.

 

[Andy]

After 1 week at mercedes i can say that it was just like any normal garage, all of the mechanics use many expressive such as Fvck, eg, "that anti roll bar is fvcked" i would go into more detail but it would take far too long. They are very profesional there and would never use any obscenities infront of a customer. The best thing is that i was put in control of a £90,000 car, that's a CL 55, a very very nice car.

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by Andy
After 1 week at mercedes i can say that it was just like any normal garage, all of the mechanics use many expressive such as Fvck, eg, "that anti roll bar is fvcked" i would go into more detail but it would take far too long. They are very profesional there and would never use any obscenities infront of a customer. The best thing is that i was put in control of a £90,000 car, that's a CL 55, a very very nice car.

Find that kinda 'funny' to say it that way, as from when I had to "Be Professional" there was no cursing, anywhere.

 

[Andy]

When i say professional i mean that they get the job done in the most effecient way possible whilst making sure that everything that they have worked on is done correctly, just because some (all) of the workers choose to curse when they are chatting to each other or expresiing their work doesn't mean that they arent professional. If you where to ban swearing in the work place then i feel that the good working relatiuonship between the workers and the management will wear very thin as the workers will always be thinking about what to say before they say it, and in the kinda place where we work i feel that this would have a very negative effect. Also what better way is there to saying about how something doesn't work?

eg, 1, The suspension arm is broken.

2, the susension arm is fvcked?

I know which one works better.

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by Andy
When i say professional i mean that they get the job done in the most effecient way possible whilst making sure that everything that they have worked on is done correctly, just because some (all) of the workers choose to curse when they are chatting to each other or expresiing their work doesn't mean that they arent professional. If you where to ban swearing in the work place then i feel that the good working relatiuonship between the workers and the management will wear very thin as the workers will always be thinking about what to say before they say it,[/color] and in the kinda place where we work i feel that this would have a very negative effect[/color]. Also what better way is there to saying about how something doesn't work?

eg, 1, The suspension arm is broken.

2, the susension arm is fvcked?

I know which one works better.[/color]

This statement serves to demonstrate that it is a practise of intellectual lazyness[/color]

Ahh the apprenticeship of youth, a week on the job, and an 'expert' already.[/color]

Your second "eg" adds an unnessecary emotive, thus is a harmonically disruptive waste of word.

Yes, the one that sates your Ego. (precious little else)[/color]

 

[Andy]

You really are a miserable old sod that likes argueing with 17 year olds arent you,

Ahh the apprenticeship of youth, a week on the job, and an 'expert' already.

In my post where does it say that i am an expert? All i said was "I fell that this would have a negative effect on the workplace" I didnt say i know that this would have a negative, only that i feel.

Yes, the one that sates your Ego. (precious little else)

And this sates your ego, always thinking that because you are older you have to be right, well tell me this, have you ever worked in a Mercedes garage? You always claim to have knowledge of many different trades but you mustnt have been very good at any of them otherwise you would have been able to hold on to one of those jobs, and if you had kept one of those jobs the chances are you wouldn't be sleeping in a tent everynite and cycling about 20 miles/kilometers everyday just to get food and use the internet.

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by Andy
(SNIP) [/color]In my post where does it say that i am an expert? (SNoP)[/color]

It doesn't but you demonstrate having formed a complete judgment in a weeks time, that alludes to you acting like one.

Originally posted by Andy
And this sates your ego, always thinking that because you are older you have to be right, well tell me this, have you ever worked in a Mercedes garage? You always claim to have knowledge of many different trades but you mustnt have been very good at any of them otherwise you would have been able to hold on to one of those jobs, and if you had kept one of those jobs the chances are you wouldn't be sleeping in a tent everynite and cycling about 20 miles/kilometers everyday just to get food and use the internet.

And this "attempt at attack" sates yours.

I do not Claim to have knowledge, I have simply admited to it, there is a huge[/size] difference, and it is NOT a measure of my capabilities, nor of my job tenure, as one of the ones (employs) that ended out the 90's, for me, had been going on nearly ten years. (Shows how little you know about me, and that you keep trying to "sit in judgment of me", absent of lots of knowledge that is needed)

But it is that, by the Grace of God, I have progressed well beyond that type of work, (provably) just that I seem to have been incapable of getting the accreditation that I have earned, (hence furtherment) seems you love to miss pointing that one out, don't you!

 

[Andy]

I have progressed well beyond that type of work, (provably) just that I seem to have been incapable of getting the accreditation that I have earned, (hence furtherment) seems you love to miss pointing that one out, don't you!

Please explain how you are beyond that type of work? Or is this just another case where your ego is taking over?

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by Andy
Please explain how you are beyond that type of work? Or is this just another case where your ego is taking over?

No.

And No.

 

[eNtRopY]

Originally posted by Andy
Please explain how you are beyond that type of work? Or is this just another case where your ego is taking over?

Look, he's homeless because he is arrogant. He could take a job doing anything that would allow him to pay for his own food, but he would rather waste his fellow countrymen's taxes because he considers himself beyond work.

Now for the real question. Who is more of a man? Andy, who takes responsibility for his own life and works 45 U.K. hours per week, or Mr. Robbin Parsons, who relies on his government to feed him?

Oooh... right in the nuts!

eNtRopY

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by eNtRopY
Look, he's homeless because he is arrogant. He could take a job doing anything that would allow him to pay for his own food, but he would rather waste his fellow countrymen's taxes because he considers himself beyond work.

Now for the real question. Who is more of a man? Andy, who takes responsibility for his own life and works 45 U.K. hours per week, And lives at home with Mom and Dad (?)[/color] or Mr. Robbin Parsons, who relies on his government to feed him?

Oooh... right in the nuts! Ya, you right in your own![/color]

eNtRopY

Funny you should mention the taxpayers purse, as apparently, what I accoplished for the Canadian Government saved the Canadian Taxpayer ~$40,000,000.00

Got any accomplishments, in your life, that match that?

(About one week of my time actually, ~48 hours to do that...fourty MILLION DOLLARS!)

It is the accreditation of that that I am being robbed of, that is what I face as a problem. (and the little 'utterings' from youse boys)

And it isn't the government that feeds the homeless, it's volonteers who care.

 

[eNtRopY]

Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
Funny you should mention the taxpayers purse, as apparently, what I accoplished for the Canadian Government saved the Canadian Taxpayer ~$40,000,000.00

* cough * Liar!

And it isn't the government that feeds the homeless, it's volonteers who care.

Okay Scarlet O'Hare, you just keep relying on the kindness of strangers while telling yourself that such lack of responsibility doesn't detract from your manliness.

eNtRopY

 

[Andy]

Funny you should mention the taxpayers purse, as apparently, what I accoplished for the Canadian Government saved the Canadian Taxpayer ~$40,000,000.00

Just who are you trying to kid? If you could save the Canadian governement that much money wouldn't other governments be trying to hire you to save them money?

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by eNtRopY
* cough * Liar! (Ahhh, once again, eNtRopY..sees himself!)[/color]
Okay Scarlet O'Hare, you just keep relying on the kindness of strangers while telling yourself that such lack of responsibility doesn't detract from your manliness.
eNtRopY

Actually, it is assitive of that, such that I can still pursue the responcible parties.

Originally posted by andy
Just who are you trying to kid? (No one, "kiddo")[/color] If you could save the C[/color]anadian governement that much money wouldn't other governments be trying to hire you to save them money?

Andy, the piece of work that I wrote, I ceded the copyrights thereof to a person who could, and to the best of my knowledge, did, use it to assist in the Democratic world's legal community.

The only thing that I (am supposed to) get, from having been the Author of the work, is the accreditation for what it was able to accomplish, the accreditations that it, the work, accrues.

As it was all done privately, (my part of it was not "in/on the news" persay) the Government of Canada has a legally binding obligation to respond to me, for having done it. They have not, to this date, performed there legal obligation(s). Simple as that.

 

[eNtRopY]

Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
Actually, it is assitive of that, such that I can still pursue the responcible parties.

So you're saying you look for free handouts? Yeah, somehow I don't think that makes you any more responsible. M'kay Scarlet?

eNtRopY

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by eNtRopY
So you're saying you look[/color] for free handouts? Yeah, somehow I don't think that makes you any more responsible. M'kay Scarlet?

eNtRopY

NO![/color], I am NOT saying that, you are.

Mentor. please lock out the thread as this clearly is no longer about the topic I started, but has digressed to nothing but the same old attack by entropy and his henceboy(s).

Entropy, having read a little bit about your attitude towards women, you are going to get yours, what you deserve, one day, God Willing I will assure/Gaurantee you of that!

BYE!

 

[eNtRopY]

Requesting a thread lock and conveniently changing the subject? Sounds like Mr. Robin Parsons knows he is defeated.

eNtRopY

 

[Zero]

Entropy, you are really close to getting yourself booted right off PF.