Is foul language the New Normal ?

Is foul language the New "Normal"?

  • I experience it, all the time, everywhere

    Votes: 6 30.0%
  • I experience it, in the workplace

    Votes: 3 15.0%
  • I experience it, at home

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I experience it, at only in restricted places (examples please)

    Votes: 1 5.0%
  • I experience it, only sometimes

    Votes: 4 20.0%
  • I experience it, not at all

    Votes: 1 5.0%
  • Is appropriate for these forums

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Is NOT appropriate for these forums

    Votes: 5 25.0%

  • Total voters
    20
  • #26
So "foul mouthed" language, is it really as prevalent as some people would like us all to think? Or is it just a "social misnomer" inasmuch as some people do not realize that, outside of their circle of friends, things, like this kind of language, are NOT the norm.

I'm not really sure about outside my circle, but i do know that in my school, swear words litter sentences quite frequently. It isn't uncommon to cuss to emphasize things.
 
  • #27
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I believe that foul language has indeed become more prevalent. What this is however is not a reflection of reality, I believe it is an amplification of an unreal, dramatized, portion of society.

Look at how foul language is used: for emphasis, to show anger or high emotion, to showoff or appear tough to peers, out of habit (usually developed from showing-off), or for humor.

Most of these are not conversational they are the exceptions not the norm. Movies and TV frequently use foul language, but they are depicting drama not normal life. Normal life is boring, polite conversation does not cause tension and tension is drama. What movies fail to realize is that when overused, foul language loses its ability to shock and becomes invisible and no longer produces tension. It just becomes annoying. This is true also in real life. Too much foul language lacks power, it is just annoying.
 
  • #28
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Originally posted by Bubonic Plague
I'm not really sure about outside my circle, but i do know that in my school, swear words litter sentences quite frequently. It isn't uncommon to cuss to emphasize things.

When teenager do it, it's a form of immation designed to make them "sound cool". They think that it will impress thier peers. In some cases they learn it in various places (including at home) and think that it's a legitimate way to express themselves, not realizing that overuse minimizes the effect. Unfortunately it carries over into adulthood.
 
  • #29
Originally posted by jcsd
#1) This from a man whose got a banana raping another banana in his avatar

#2) Swearing is the only way I can express myself.

#1) **AHEM** if you look carefully, you too will note that the participants, are all willing, freely willing.
(And it's called "D-A-N-C-I-N-G" not 'rape')

#2) And that statement, is a self deception, because, it contains NOT ONE SWEAR WORD but it successfully expresses YOU!

Perhaps after, if I've the time, I will respond to some of the rest, which I have enjoyed reading!

PS Andy, the word is OUCH!!!
 
  • #30
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The banana at the front doesn't exactly look to happy about it :)

To tell the truth my own postion is that there only words, nothing to be too concerned with, which is why when people use them as intensfiers it shouldn't be a problem though if people are just being vulgarians and swear for the sake of swearing then that's a load of ****.
 
  • #31
Originally posted by jcsd
#1) The banana at the front doesn't exactly look to happy about it :)

#2) To tell the truth my own postion is that there only words, nothing to be too concerned with, which is why when people use them as intensfiers it shouldn't be a problem though if people are just being vulgarians and #3) swear for the sake of swearing then that's a load of ****.

#1) You mean that one that's yelling "WO'HOOOOO"??

#2) If they truly are "only words" and employed as intensifiers, then why them?, why not "other" intesifieing words that are not generally seen as so offensive in nature, gutteral in thought, and considered vulgar in use.

#3) As for "swearing for the sake of swearing", doesn't that just show an acceptence of a habit, acceptence of a desire to be considered forwardly offensive? contempt of possible listeners?, unwillingness to seek acceptence, socially, by verbal derrision(sp?)?
 
  • #32
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though my relatives hail from the isle of wight and sussex,

Cool i live just the other side of the Solent near Southampton and the New Forest.

Come on Robin how many people can honestly say that they say ouch when they are hurt in an accident, most do curse when this happens and the vast majority would at least say "god dammit".
 
  • #33
Originally posted by Andy
Cool i live just the other side of the Solent near Southampton and the New Forest.
Come on (Mr.) Robin (Parsons) how many people can honestly say that they say ouch when they are hurt in an accident, most do curse when this happens and the vast majority would at least say "god dammit".

Firstly, for someone who wanted to take me to task over "knowning the other", considering I have been your age, but you have never been mine, you obvious false sense of familiarity, that have been using, really shows you for what you are.

Also, the simplicity that I had, just today, asked a friend of mine who does carpentry work, he said he says "OW" too, as did I when I worked in that trade, and in the trade of mechanics, as well.

So your statment of; "most do" simply shows that you are 'self assumptive' in your conclusions, unless (of course) you can back that up with some independant proof(s). Otherwise, you simply tell us all that you are making up the "Facts" as you go along, sharing nothing with us, the readers of these postings, save your over active imagination.
 
  • #34
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Originally posted by Andy

...how many people can honestly say that they say ouch when they are hurt in an accident, most do curse when this happens and the vast majority would at least say "god dammit".

A preacher once told me that when a person loses control what "comes out" is what they are "filled with."

When you think about it, this is true. If a person dwells on cursing and uses swear words on a regular basis this is what will come out when upset or out of control. But, if the person does not frequently use swear words, these will not be what would come out.

I can't say which is the vast majority, but I do believe that this is true. If a person has never heard or rarely hears or uses a swear word, they probably would not use one if injured or upset.

I actually heard the preacher who told me this say, "Ow! Praise God!" When he scraped his knuckle doing a car repair. I looked at him kind of strangely at his response to the scrape and he added, "I'll think of a good reason (to praise God) later." He was a good man who truely practiced what he preached. I certainly don't think this is a common reaction, but just an illustration of my point.
 
  • #35
Originally posted by Artman
A preacher once told me that when a person loses control what "comes out" is what they are "filled with."

When you think about it, this is true. If a person dwells on cursing and uses swear words on a regular basis this is what will come out when upset or out of control. But, if the person does not frequently use swear words, these will not be what would come out.

I can't say which is the vast majority, but I do believe that this is true. If a person has never heard or rarely hears or uses a swear word, they probably would not use one if injured or upset.

I actually heard the preacher who told me this say, "Ow! Praise God!" When he scraped his knuckle doing a car repair. I looked at him kind of strangely at his response to the scrape and he added, "I'll think of a good reason (to praise God) later." He was a good man who truely practiced what he preached. I certainly don't think this is a common reaction, but just an illustration of my point.

Beautifully stated, IMO Thanks, from one who has worked as a mechanic, and knows a completely different meaning to "Punching a Head" or "giving it a 'shot' in the head" and bled, and skin, and IMO Silence is the very best manner of reaction to such things, as that is the most responcible for one's own actions.

It was another thread I had started in Philosophy, "Who/What controls your mind?"....if I can find it I'll link it.
 
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I havent worked AS a mechanic but i used to work in a garage on saturdays helping out with repairs and services on cars, this garage was right next door to a scrap yard and i did alot of work with them as well and i found that out of the 3 mechanics that worked in the garage 2 of them would swear quite often (never in the presence of a custoner) and they would definetly swear whenever they hurt themselves, and as for the 4-5 people that worked in the scrap yard they never stopped swearing, so for me this would be the majority of people. I have never worked with carpenters but my Craft design and technology teacher at school did swear when he hurt himelf but only in the presence of his better students who had stayed behind after school to work on their projects. I will soon be working as a Mercedes mechanic starting my 4 year aprenticeship programme next week, so in a few weeks/months time i will be able to tell you just what kinda language they use when working, although i expect it to be very good with them being mercedes and specialising in luxury cars.
 
  • #37
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It was another thread I had started in Philosophy, "Who/What controls your mind?"....if I can find it I'll link it.

Must a been PF 2.0 caaaaause, "I no keena find it, now'heres!"

Sorry!

In several places that I have worked, 'foul' language is simply not tolerated. Would you buy something from someone, a salesperson in a store, who told you it was the "F'n" best?
 
  • #38
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It seems to be very well toler-
ated in all male work places, of
the kind andy describes. I worked
in two machine shops where the
supervisors were the worst of all.

In two other machine shops the
supervisors frowned on it and
reated to it such that people
were discouraged from using it
in front of them, at least.

The more mixing of sexes there is
in a workplace the more of an
official offence it becomes. And
as you mentioned, I can't think
of any salesperson-customer
situation where it would be tol-
erated.

My main objection to it in this
forum is that in resorting to it
all communication breaks down.
I think everyone comes here to
learn and share information.
Therefore cultivate those states
of mind in which you become more
articulate and avoid those in
which you become less.
 
  • #39
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In several places that I have worked, 'foul' language is simply not tolerated. Would you buy something from someone, a salesperson in a store, who told you it was the "F'n" best?

it would'nt put me off buying something from him because i dont perticuarly frown apon bad language like that, but i can understand why people would be put of by that use of language, this is why as i said that the mechanics never swore in front of a customer, and i would have most probably been told to hit the road for doing that myself.

My main objection to it in this
forum is that in resorting to it
all communication breaks down.
I think everyone comes here to
learn and share information.
Therefore cultivate those states
of mind in which you become more
articulate and avoid those in
which you become less.

For example i suppose this is a case of that,

"You full on ****ing **** wit, if you had an ounce of common sense you be be ****ing dangerous!" i dont agree with that kinda of post(although i probably have done that myself in the past) but isnt that when you get smarter than the other person and make them look stupid by replying with smarter posts.
 
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  • #40
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That's what ends up happening
but when it does it's an unsatis-
fing substitute for what could
have been a good exchange of ideas.

Sometimes people want to make the
other look stupid because they've
had their feelings hurt and want
revenge. Other times it's an at-
tempt to get their attention when
they seem to be going overboard.
Speaking for myself, of course.
 
  • #41
Originally posted by Andy
(SNIP) "You full on ****ing **** wit, if you had an ounce of common sense you be be ****ing dangerous!" i dont agree with that kinda of post(although i probably have done that myself in the past) but isnt that when you get smarter than the other person and make them look stupid by replying with smarter posts.

Problem is that, that kind of language, does NOT make you the 'smarter poster', but simply the rude one.

As zoobyshoe says, it is not helping to foster "good communications", hence learning.
 
  • #42
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Mr. Robin Parsons,

My understanding of what Andy
meant was different than yours.
I took him to be saying that
once person A resorts to profani-
ty, person B is provided with the opportunity of making person A
feel stupid by adopting a more cultivated, self controled stance.

That is what I understood him to
be saying, but he will have to
confirm or deny it.

-Zoob
 
  • #43
Originally posted by zoobyshoe
Mr. Robin Parsons,
My understanding of what Andy
meant was different than yours.
I took him to be saying that
once person A resorts to profani-
ty, person B is provided with the opportunity of making person A
feel stupid by adopting a more cultivated, self controled stance.
That is what I understood him to
be saying, but he will have to
confirm or deny it.
-Zoob

You could be absolutely correct, then again, it is Andy sooooo..
 
  • #44
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I feel alot of hostility coming from you robin, and yes it was meant as zoob thought.
 
  • #45
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That's a relief. I thought I had
understood what you were pointing
out, but sometimes I read things
too quickly and misinterpret them.

Anyay, congratulations on your
Mercedes apprenticship. I take it
you're still pretty young in years?

-Zoob
 
  • #46
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do you get a free mercedes with your apprenticeship?

Can I borrow it?
 
  • #47
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Hey! Don't try to highjack my
idea of sucking up to him so I
can borrow his Mercedes! Find
your own Mercedes mechanic!
 
  • #48
Originally posted by Andy
I feel alot of hostility coming from you (Mr.) (R)obin, (Parsons) and yes it was meant as zoob thought.

And tell us all Andy, just what it is/was, that I have written, that generates this sensation of hostility, that you seem to find within yourself?

PS As you once commented upon my for not spelling someones name properly, do you think you could address me properly, without this false informality, cause, quite clearly, you don't know me.

PS To the others, you should wait until he finishes the courses, four years, before you "Book Him" cause, well, lots'a reasons! (Do whatever you want!)
 
  • #49
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Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
And tell us all Andy, just what it is/was, that I have written, that generates this sensation of hostility, that you seem to find within yourself?

Mr. Robin Parsons:

My understanding of what Andy
meant was different than yours.
I understood him to be saying
he percieved hostility in you.
I did not understand him to be
reporting that he, himself, was
experiencing hostility.

That is what I understood him
to be saying.

With all due respect,

-Zoob
 
  • #50
Originally posted by zoobyshoe
Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
And tell us all Andy, just what it is/was, that I have written, that generates this sensation of hostility, that you seem to find within yourself?

Mr. Robin Parsons:

My understanding of what Andy
meant was different than yours.
I understood him to be saying
he percieved hostility in you.
I did not understand him to be
reporting that he, himself, was
experiencing hostility.

That is what I understood him
to be saying.

With all due respect,

-Zoob

Yes, the question is posed to andy, BECAUSE
Originally posted by Andy
(SNIP) I feel alot of hostility coming from you (Mr.) Robin, (Parsons) (SNoP)

Because the hostility Adny feels is being generated within him, it is NOT coming from me as he would like you all to believe, it is arising within him as a result of what he "wishes to believe"

Andy if you cannot address me by my proper name, please, stop addressing me completely!

Zoobyshoe, please let Andy respond for himself, thanks! (otherwise any sense of communication, or the lack thereof, will not be resolved between him and I)
 

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