Is Fractional Calculus Possible According to 'Fractional Calculus I'?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of fractional calculus, specifically addressing its feasibility and applications as presented in the paper 'Fractional Calculus I'. Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings, practical applications, and challenges associated with fractional differentiation and integration.

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  • One participant references a paper claiming the possibility of fractional differentiation and questions its correctness.
  • Another participant affirms that fractional calculus is possible and can be applied, though it is not as straightforward as ordinary calculus.
  • Some participants note that while fractional order operators are used, certain expected results do not hold in fractional calculus, such as specific properties of exponential and trigonometric functions.
  • There is a claim that fractional calculus is a useful tool for modeling various problems in fields like physics, biology, and engineering.
  • A question is raised about how to perform fractional derivatives on transcendental functions, suggesting a distinction in complexity compared to algebraic functions.
  • A participant shares their initial surprise upon discovering that fractional calculus is a legitimate field, relating it to quantum mechanics.
  • There is curiosity about substituting non-integer values in Cauchy's differentiation formula and whether this leads to fractional derivatives, with one participant affirming this line of thought.

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Participants express a mix of agreement on the existence and utility of fractional calculus, while also highlighting disagreements regarding its properties and the implications of certain mathematical results. The discussion remains unresolved on specific methodologies and outcomes.

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Participants mention limitations regarding the applicability of certain results in fractional calculus, particularly in relation to specific functions and the assumptions underlying their claims.

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I have located a paper claiming that it is possible to fractionally differentiate, called 'Fractional Calculus I'

Orion1 derivative integer factorial theorem:
[tex]\frac{d^n}{dx^n} (x^n) = n![/tex]

Is this paper correct? is 'Fractional Calculus' really possible?
http://nrich.maths.org/public/viewer.php?obj_id=1365&refpage=monthindex.php&part=index&nomenu=1

Fractional Integration?

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https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=672326&postcount=1
 
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Yep! It's not nearly as nice as ordinary calculus, but you can still do it, and can apparently do cool stuff with it.
 
Fractional (and real and complex) order operators are possible and are used. Unfortunately several results that one might expect do not hold. For example
(D^n)exp(a x)=(a^n)exp(a x)
and
(D^n)cos(a x)=(a^n)cos(a x+n pi/2)
do not hold in fractional calculus.
 
Yes fractional calculus is really useful tool for modeling problems in physics, biology and engineering. Actually fractional difference calculus is possible also.
 
How does one perform a fractional derivative on a transcendental function? Although it seems quite trivial on algebraic functions.
 
The first time the idea of fractional calculus occurred to me, not knowing it was a real thing, was when I was thinking about how to calculate, in quantum mechanics, something like [itex]<\psi |\hat{p}^n |\psi>[/itex] where [itex]\hat{p}=-i\hbar \frac{d}{dx}[/itex]. I was indeed quite surprised to find that fractional calculus was a real thing.
 
I always wondered what would happen if you substituted values other than integers (and replacing factorials with gamma functions) in cauchy's differentiation formula. Would this give the fractional derivative in the sense you guys are talking about?
 
matticus said:
I always wondered what would happen if you substituted values other than integers (and replacing factorials with gamma functions) in cauchy's differentiation formula. Would this give the fractional derivative in the sense you guys are talking about?

That's exactly it sir
 

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