Generalization of Hyperoperations / fractional operations

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The discussion revolves around the generalization of hyperoperations to include fractional, negative, irrational, and complex numbers as indices. Participants explore the feasibility and implications of defining such fractional operators, questioning their existence and potential applications in mathematics and physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes the idea of extending hyperoperations to non-integer values for n, questioning whether fractional operators can be defined and what properties they should satisfy.
  • Another participant mentions existing research on half-integer hyperoperations, specifically halfation and sesquition, and references a source discussing these concepts.
  • A participant corrects their earlier statement regarding the monotonicity of the proposed fractional operators, clarifying that it should apply only to combinations of positive integers greater than or equal to 2.
  • One participant introduces the concept of fractional differentiation as a related area of interest, suggesting it may provide insights into the discussion of fractional operators.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express interest in the topic, but there is no consensus on the existence or definition of fractional hyperoperations. Some acknowledge existing research on half-integer ranks while others question the relevance of certain concepts to the original inquiry.

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The discussion highlights limitations in the definitions and properties of proposed fractional operators, as well as the need for further exploration and research in this area.

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Individuals interested in advanced mathematical concepts, particularly those exploring hyperoperations, fractional calculus, and their potential applications in various fields.

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Hi everybody!
I recently came across the hyperoperation sequence which extends the sequence of operations x+y, x*y, x^y to operations x[n]y, which are recursively defined as "the previous operation applied y times on x".
So I asked myself: Can this be generalized to positive rational (or even negative /irrational/complex) numbers for n (yes, for n!). This may seem weird, but why not? After all new structures in math are often discovered by asking "weird" questions, like what is the root of -1 (complex numbers) or is there an extension of the factorial to real numbers (gamma function), etc...

Has someone tried to define / calculate / study such "fractional" operators? I haven't found anything substantial on the internet, but maybe I don't know the right term to search for?
Is it even possible to find an extension that makes sense (that is, it should satisfy x[n]x=x[n+1]2 and the function x[n]y should probably be a monotonic function for all combinations of positive integers x and y and maybe even infinitely often differentiable)? If not, why not?
There is certainly no easy way to express these operations with existing operations / functions, right?

It would surprise me if this hasn't been researched yet, as the operators are essential in mathematics and we try to generalize existing structures in math to understand new relations. I would guess that fractional operators (if they exists) may yield understanding of existing relationships (maybe some integrals that can not be definied in terms of existing functions could be defined by those operators or things like that) and possibly may be used to express new relationships (maybe even physical ones).

If this is not being studied and an open question, do you think it somehow unimportant or unintersting or why does almost no one try to define fractional operators?
 
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I don't get what this has to do with my question. :confused: Tetration is the hyperoperation with n=4, which is a positve integer. I asked for hyperoperations (or the generalization thereof) where n is not a positive integer.

I have to make a correction, I wrote: "x[n]y should probably be a monotonic function for all combinations of positive integers x and y", but this is not true even for all positive whole numbers n (eg 1+2=3, yet 1*2=2). So it should read "x[n]y should probably be a monotonic function for all combinations of positive integers x and y bigger or equal to 2".
 
Hi, benjayk,
I am pleased to see your interest in the hyperoperation hierarchy and, in particular in its extension to the non-integer ranks. Some half-integer ranks have been investigated, such as:
y = b [k] x, with k = 0.5 (halfation), and k = 1.5 (sesquition or sesquation).
In particular, sesquition is a half-way hyperoperation between addition and multiplication and seems to be justified by the existence of the arithmetic-geometric mean, called also the Gauss Mean, obtainable through the "complete helliptic integral of the first kind".
Plese see: Hyperoperations for Science and Technology, (K. Rubtsov, G. Romerio), Lambert Academic Publishing, 2010 (ISBN 978-3-8443-1516-5), pages 98-104.
The existence of a midway operation between addition and multiplication had been imagined by Prof E. Williams, London Scool of Economics. The point is that, if the arthmetic-geometric mean exists, the sesquition should also ... perhaps exist. Therefore, an overall half-integer hyperoperation rank may also be possible. However, a lot of work needs still to be done.
Welcome in this extraorrdinary entreprise!
GFR
 
I think the fractional differentiation operator would be interesting to you: it's a function D1/2 with the property that, for a differentiable real function of x, D1/2(D1/2 f(x)) = f'(x), the derivative of the function f(x).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional_calculus
 
Thank you! I am going to look into it. GFR
 

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