Is G Abelian?Is Group G Abelian?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of a group G, specifically whether it is abelian under the condition that g^2 = 1 for all g in G. Participants are exploring the implications of this condition and discussing counterexamples to the converse statement.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are attempting to show that if g^2 = 1 for all g in G, then G is abelian, with some suggesting specific elements to consider. Questions about the identity element and the nature of counterexamples are also raised.

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Several participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights and suggestions for approaches. There is a recognition of the need to explore both the original statement and its converse, with some guidance provided on how to proceed with the proof and counterexamples.

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There is some uncertainty regarding the definition of the identity element in the context of the problem, as well as the specific nature of the counterexamples being discussed.

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Homework Statement


show that a group G is abelian if g^2 = 1 for all g in G. Give an example showing that converse is false.

The Attempt at a Solution


Suppose g^2 = 1.
gg = 1,
(g^-1)gg = g^-1
g = g^-1 -- means self inverse. but I'm not sure how to show G is abelian..
and I don't know how I find counterexample.
 
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Try taking 3 elements from G, say g, h, and gh. You should be able to show gh=hg pretty easily.
 
Just to add one more thing to the above post, you've shown that g=g^(-1) for all g. In particular, gh=(gh)^(-1)=...?

The converse statement is "G is abelian implies g^2=1 for all g in G". You should have seen enough examples of groups by now to find an abelian group where this doesn't hold.
 
So.. Suppose that gg = 1, then ggh = hgg for all g,h in G, this clearly is that G is abelian.., right??
And counterexample...
G = {4,8,12,16}; multiplication in Z_(20)..
because g^2 not = 1 for all g in G, correct??
Also 1 means identity in this problem? or only number 1..?
Thanks
 
Use the above poster's advice: gh=(gh)^(-1) by your discovery that each element is it's own inverse in this group.
Now compute (gh)^-1

For the counterexample perhaps you should consider Z_5
 

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