Is G={f: R -> R : f(x)=ax+b, a ≠ 0} a Group Under Composition?

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical concept of whether the set G={ f: R -> R : f(x)=ax+b, where a is not equal to zero} forms a group under the operation of composition. Participants are exploring the nature of the elements within this set and the implications of group properties such as identity and inverses.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are questioning the definition of the elements in G, considering whether they should be represented as distinct functions or as variations of the same function. There is also discussion about the implications of function composition and whether the group is commutative.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing insights into the nature of the functions involved and the properties of the group. Some have identified the identity element and are discussing the concept of inverses, while others are clarifying the representation of functions within the group.

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There is a mention of potential confusion regarding the notation used for functions, as well as the importance of distinguishing between different members of the group. The discussion also touches on the non-commutative nature of the group under composition.

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What exactly does G={ f: R -> R : f(x)=ax+b, where a is not equal to zero} is a group under composition, mean? So what are the elements of G? Are they (for example) f(x)=ax+b and g(x)=a'x+b'? Or are they f(x)=ax+b and f(y)=ay+b?

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Artusartos said:

Homework Statement



What exactly does G={ f: R -> R : f(x)=ax+b, where a is not equal to zero} is a group under composition, mean? So what are the elements of G? Are they (for example) f(x)=ax+b and g(x)=a'x+b'? Or are they f(x)=ax+b and f(y)=ay+b?

Thanks in advance

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The first, of course, they are all linear polynomials in x.
 
Dick said:
The first, of course, they are all linear polynomials in x.

Thanks...
 
Artusartos said:
But how can you tell which one they're talking about?

I read the problem statement, the other interpretation doesn't make much sense. f(x)=ax+b and g(y)=ay+b define the same function. Some example of elements of G are 2x+1, x-1, -2x+4, etc etc.
 
Dick said:
I read the problem statement, the other interpretation doesn't make much sense. f(x)=ax+b and g(y)=ay+b define the same function. Some example of elements of G are 2x+1, x-1, -2x+4, etc etc.

Thanks. Yes, I figured that out...it doesn't make any sense...I don't know why I was confused. :)
 
On the other hand, although the group is defined as {f(x)= ax+ b}, it is not a good idea to use "f" to represent two different members. Rather, say that f(x)= ax+ b and g(x)= a'x+ b'. The group operation, "composition" would give fg= a(a'x+ b')+ b= aa'x+ (ab'+ b) and gf= a'(ax+ b)+ b'= aa'x+ (a'b+ b'). Since, in general, [itex]ab'+ b\ne a'b+ b'[/itex] this group is not commutative.

Of course, the function f(x)= 1x+ 0= x is the group identity: if g(x)= ax+ b then fg= 1(ax+ b)+ 0= ax+ b and gf= a(x)+ b= ax+b. What is the inverse of f(x)= ax+ b?
 
HallsofIvy said:
On the other hand, although the group is defined as {f(x)= ax+ b}, it is not a good idea to use "f" to represent two different members. Rather, say that f(x)= ax+ b and g(x)= a'x+ b'. The group operation, "composition" would give fg= a(a'x+ b')+ b= aa'x+ (ab'+ b) and gf= a'(ax+ b)+ b'= aa'x+ (a'b+ b'). Since, in general, [itex]ab'+ b\ne a'b+ b'[/itex] this group is not commutative.

Of course, the function f(x)= 1x+ 0= x is the group identity: if g(x)= ax+ b then fg= 1(ax+ b)+ 0= ax+ b and gf= a(x)+ b= ax+b. What is the inverse of f(x)= ax+ b?

The inverse is: [tex]f^{-1}(x) = a^{-1}x - a^{-1}b[/tex], right? Because...

[tex]a(a^{-1}x - a^{-1}b) + b = (x-b)+b = x[/tex]
 
Artusartos said:
The inverse is: [tex]f^{-1}(x) = a^{-1}x - a^{-1}b[/tex], right? Because...

[tex]a(a^{-1}x - a^{-1}b) + b = (x-b)+b = x[/tex]

Yes, that's exactly right.
 

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