Is george w bush the worst president ever?

  • News
  • Thread starter mathwonk
  • Start date
  • #1
mathwonk
Science Advisor
Homework Helper
11,011
1,209
I am only 65 years old so i am not sure, i can only remember back to truman.

Anyone with more history background?

Bush has given us such an amazing example that even right wing christian conservatives like Mitt Romney are claiming to be the agents of change.

Exactly how does Romney differ from Bush, that he is not stupid? Help me out here.
 
Last edited:

Answers and Replies

  • #2
Astronuc
Staff Emeritus
Science Advisor
18,869
2,134
Romney is Mormon (not quite Christian - but then his religion shouldn't matter), and AFAIK, Romney actually worked and was a real manager of a company. :biggrin:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitt_Romney#Business_career - Wikipedia is probably suitable for this thread. :rolleyes:

Bush takes the prize as the worst president, IMO, eclipsing even Harding.
 
  • #3
mathwonk
Science Advisor
Homework Helper
11,011
1,209
I used to live in Utah, and I seem to recall that Mormons consider themselves christians, but i may be wrong.
 
Last edited:
  • #4
27
3
It depends on how you rate them. LBJ killed a lot more people in his war (on both sides) and trashed the economy real quick (the inflation in the seventies was really his fault). On the other hand he did some good stuff too. Hard to say. Bush is certainly way below average though.
 
  • #5
Ivan Seeking
Staff Emeritus
Science Advisor
Gold Member
7,213
176
Yes, Mormons are Christians. They are formally called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. They use the Bible, and the Book of Mormon as a "supplemental text".

Given that I believe that Bush is an enemy of the state and should probably be up on war crimes charges, yes, I would say he is the worst.

How is Romney different? He doesn't have Cheney standing next to him. Romney also has better skin and nicer hair.

I don't like Romney but he would be better than Bush. He must be reasonably intelligent, at least.

Mathwonk, how do you think Bush compares to Nixon? Remember the good ole days when Nixon was the prime example of corruption? How far we have sunk!
 
Last edited:
  • #6
russ_watters
Mentor
19,791
6,193
mathwonk, if you do a search, you'll probably find the several threads we've had asking this exact question. They provide a history lesson of some truly awful Presidents. You can also google the question.

Ultimately, though, it comes down to a matter of opinion and as you imply - people's opinions are shaped by what they know and their short memories.

To put a finer point on it, of the half a dozen different things people generally think of when they do their rankings, I see only one ('Gitmo) that has the potential to be a [nearly] universally agreed upon heavy and lasting black stain.
 
Last edited:
  • #7
Integral
Staff Emeritus
Science Advisor
Gold Member
7,201
56
If starting a unnecessary war for personal reasons is not a black stain then what is? Bush must be the first president to use US forces to resolve a personal vendetta. IMHO This makes him, as Ivan said a war criminal.
 
  • #8
nabki
i like to think of a presidential list of faliures:
invade 2 countries: check
turn a succesfull economy into a failing one: check
turn 1.3 billion people into alleged terrorists: check
make your enemies stronger: check
be the worst speaker in american history: check
cause genocide: check
abuse power: check
longest time spent in vacations: check
be loathed by michale moore: check
help your corparate buddies by waging a few wars for them: check
total score: 10/10
good for you bush, you rank as the worst president of the US in modern history.
 
  • #9
seycyrus
If starting a unnecessary war for personal reasons is not a black stain then what is? Bush must be the first president to use US forces to resolve a personal vendetta. IMHO This makes him, as Ivan said a war criminal.
Oh man, what was the UN and the rest of the world doing when all this was going on?

Where were those purveyors of liberty (Russia, China, France and Germany) at the time? They must have been forcibly removed from their seats in the UN.

For their was not a single resolution offered that condemned the US action.
 
  • #10
lisab
Staff Emeritus
Science Advisor
Gold Member
1,887
616
i like to think of a presidential list of faliures:
invade 2 countries: check
turn a succesfull economy into a failing one: check
turn 1.3 billion people into alleged terrorists: check
make your enemies stronger: check
be the worst speaker in american history: check
cause genocide: check
abuse power: check
longest time spent in vacations: check
be loathed by michale moore: check
help your corparate buddies by waging a few wars for them: check
total score: 10/10
good for you bush, you rank as the worst president of the US in modern history.
One more (I'm sure we can brainstorm a bunch) -
Lose any claim we had to the 'moral high ground': check
 
  • #11
nabki
extra marks for mr. bush!
 
  • #12
D H
Staff Emeritus
Science Advisor
Insights Author
15,393
684
i like to think of a presidential list of faliures:
invade 2 countries: check
With this metric Bush pales in comparison to FDR.
be loathed by michale moore: check
This is a good thing. Not being loathed by Michael Moore would be a bad sign.
 
  • #13
Integral
Staff Emeritus
Science Advisor
Gold Member
7,201
56
Oh man, what was the UN and the rest of the world doing when all this was going on?

Where were those purveyors of liberty (Russia, China, France and Germany) at the time? They must have been forcibly removed from their seats in the UN.

For their was not a single resolution offered that condemned the US action.
I did not see them on the ground fighting either. If there had been a real reason for the invasion would not there been some help? Bush was bound and determined to finish the job his pappy started.
 
  • #14
453
0
Well, I'm Canadian, so I suppose I have no right to comment, but it seems to me that if you agree with the founding fathers on much of anything, than Abraham Lincoln was the worst president.
 
  • #16
seycyrus
I did not see them on the ground fighting either. If there had been a real reason for the invasion would not there been some help?
Either that or they were making money under the table despite the official sanctions THEY had voted to initiate and enforce.

Got to love the revisionism.
 
  • #17
BobG
Science Advisor
Homework Helper
185
80
I can't find the video on the web, but CNN showed Bush and Bahrain's king marching with swords held in their right hand and over their right shoulder. It being a Barhrainian ceremony, the Bharain king displayed the proper way to march with a sword - serious, solemn, and proud. I wouldn't expect an American President to look quite as natural, but Bush's marching captured my image of him perfectly.

His walking style would have been more appropriate for Harry Husker (the Nebraska Cornhusker's mascot). It said "I'm an ignorant hick." His sword laid flat and at an angle - as if he were carrying a pitchfork back to the farmhouse after a day's work baling hay (while the Bahrainian king's sword rested on his shoulder with the blade parallel to his body and parellel with the direction he was walking).

His expression was worse. An open, ignorant expression would have at least been consistent with his marching style. Instead, his expression was more arrogant ignorance. "Life is easy, especially if you're rich and your daddy's President of the USA."

Expect his daddy's not President of the USA anymore - he is!

"I am? Heh hee, you gotta love the USA."

Seven years on the job and he's not grown even a smidge. And it shows in both his policies and the people he hires to carry those policies out.
 
  • #18
jim mcnamara
Mentor
4,018
2,455
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/01/AR2006120101509.html

This is a newspapr article written by an academic, citing how Arthur Schlesinger ranks Bush and others. Since Schlesinger is considered a leading Presidential scholar, it is worth a look. -- if you are disinclined to peek - he finds Bush to be the worst by a long shot, but for completely different reasons than those cited by Greg's link or other posts in this thread.
 
  • #20
67
165
One thing different about the Bush Presidency is that it has been veiled in secrecy. Until the secret web is untangled, if ever, history scholars will be to a great great extent left in the dark.

Bush's greatest obvious failure was to allow Cheney to control the executive branch.
 
  • #21
67
165
The poll at the bottom is quite instructive. People can vote for any three presidents as the "worst" and 67% chose "W".
That is an interesting poll.

http://www.usnews.com/poll/ePollResults.php3?pollId=1&optionIds=40&pop=1&expiration= [Broken]
 
Last edited by a moderator:
  • #22
BobG
Science Advisor
Homework Helper
185
80
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/01/AR2006120101509.html

This is a newspapr article written by an academic, citing how Arthur Schlesinger ranks Bush and others. Since Schlesinger is considered a leading Presidential scholar, it is worth a look. -- if you are disinclined to peek - he finds Bush to be the worst by a long shot, but for completely different reasons than those cited by Greg's link or other posts in this thread.
Except according to Michael Lind from the same newspaper, Bush is only fifth worst.

Although Madison doesn't make many worst President lists, I have to admit that starting a war in which the US capitol is burned to the ground is pretty bad.
 
  • #23
turbo
Gold Member
3,077
45
Except according to Michael Lind from the same newspaper, Bush is only fifth worst.

Although Madison doesn't make many worst President lists, I have to admit that starting a war in which the US capitol is burned to the ground is pretty bad.
That article was written over a year ago, though, before Bush tried to expand the war to Iran - in spite of the fact that the NIE asserted that Iran has stopped its nuclear weapons program in 2003. Bush and Cheney knew of the contents of the NIE in the fall of 2006, and blocked its release for a year because it did not agree with their assertions that Iran is developing nuclear weapons. If the disastrous war in Iraq isn't already bad enough, W and Shooter want to start another one. That alone should launch W to the top of the list.
 
  • #24
BobG
Science Advisor
Homework Helper
185
80
The poll at the bottom is quite instructive. People can vote for any three presidents as the "worst" and 67% chose "W".
The top six are six of the last seven Presidents. Was Gerald Ford so inconsequential he couldn't even make that list?

And among Presidents that served prior to 1970, Abraham Lincoln tops the list of worst Presidents?

That almost looks like a poll asking, "Can you identify three Presidents of the United States from among these photographs?"
 
Last edited by a moderator:
  • #25
mheslep
Gold Member
311
728
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/01/AR2006120101509.html

This is a newspapr article written by an academic, citing how Arthur Schlesinger ranks Bush and others. Since Schlesinger is considered a leading Presidential scholar, it is worth a look. -- if you are disinclined to peek - he finds Bush to be the worst by a long shot, but for completely different reasons than those cited by Greg's link or other posts in this thread.
The author Foner doesn't cite a Schlesinger ranking of Bush; its written solely as his own opinion. He likens Bush policies to the pro-slavery and racist ideologues of reconstruction. I value the opinion of the 'first twelve people in the phone book' over this Columbia academic.
 

Related Threads on Is george w bush the worst president ever?

  • Last Post
Replies
19
Views
3K
Replies
31
Views
7K
  • Poll
  • Last Post
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • Last Post
2
Replies
26
Views
4K
  • Last Post
Replies
23
Views
5K
  • Poll
  • Last Post
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
88
Views
10K
  • Poll
  • Last Post
3
Replies
56
Views
6K
  • Last Post
3
Replies
65
Views
8K
Top