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News Whom do you respect more as President - Bill Clinton or George W. Bush?

  1. Bill Clinton

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    71.6%
  2. George W. Bush

    7 vote(s)
    9.5%
  3. I respect neither

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    13.5%
  4. I respect both equally

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    5.4%
  1. Jan 22, 2007 #1
    Whom do you respect more as President - Bill Clinton or George W. Bush?
     
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  3. Jan 22, 2007 #2
    Bill Clinton by a few trillion light years. The worse he did was lie about having sex with an intern. Bush lied about evidence to start a war, ignored the will of the people, continues to push for war with Iran, refuses to admit to the crimes he has committed with his warrant less wire tapping program, refuses to close Guantanamo Bay, ignores the law, has uses signing statements to essentially make him untouchable, and is just down-right incompetent.
     
  4. Jan 22, 2007 #3

    Ivan Seeking

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    Clinton was a disappointment. Bush is not only terrifying on many levels, but the damage he has done is immeasurable. No contest; I think Bush likely belongs in prison for treason.
     
  5. Jan 22, 2007 #4

    Kurdt

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    :uhh: I didn't know george bush was a member of Physics Forums
     
  6. Jan 22, 2007 #5
    heh, I meant to put neither...I think both arent the greatest but I guess only time will tell. Alot of presidents werent popular by any means but history generally paints a much different picture.
     
  7. Jan 23, 2007 #6

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    I respect Bush more, by which I mean I respect him very little.
     
  8. Jan 23, 2007 #7
    Bill Clinton easilly, he's quite popular over here, he's also an alma marta of Oxford, so he at least has visited our country for more than 5 minutes. As a president I supose he was OK, Camp David failed because Israel refused to accept the pre 1967 borders, and this is probably what I'll remember from his political office, that and handing the reupublicans a budget positive rather than a defecit, how anyone can run up 1 trillion in such a short space of time is beyond me :smile:

    I have no respect at all for Bush or his cronies. Neo-con idealogy is redundant.

    I know it's gramatically correct but who uses whom in conversation? If I say who's your favourite president, or who do you respect more Bill Clinton or Bush, will the world come to an end, it's an unnecessary conjugation IMO, everyone knows what you mean anyway, very much a fan of lazyness in language, that's why I don't use punctuation after brackets, it's also redundant.
     
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  9. Jan 23, 2007 #8
    I respect both equally. Clinton is a nice, progressive guy who just made some understandable mistakes. Bush is a nice, religious guy who just gets his priorities confused sometimes. :smile:
     
  10. Jan 23, 2007 #9
    Really, Bush more than Clinton? Why do you say that?
     
  11. Jan 23, 2007 #10

    Kurdt

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    :eek: Why do you want a religious fanatic running your country? From what I've seen hes not very nice either.
     
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  13. Jan 23, 2007 #12
    It's becoming more and more apparent that history will not compare Bush to other Presidents; he will be compared to other despots instead, Hitler obviously being the despot of choice for such comparisons.

    Some of the similarities that are already public knowledge do seem to be very striking. I'm speaking generalities here, like the fear-mongering for war, etc., that is unless anyone here at this board is actually convinced that Saddam was just about ready to conquer the world, without any access to any first tier weapons systems.
     
  14. Jan 23, 2007 #13
    Polar I hope you are not seriously toying with the idea that Bush is comparable to Hitler in any way. If so you must just be delirious. I also dont disagree with Sadam being deposed, the man was a tyrant. (whether or not he was working on wmd's)
     
  15. Jan 23, 2007 #14

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    Bush has beliefs and he sticks to them regardless of whether or not they are popular. Clinton does not.
     
  16. Jan 23, 2007 #15
    You mean regardless of whether they work?
     
  17. Jan 23, 2007 #16
    What? You respect him more because he GOES AGAINST THE WISHES OF THE PEOPLE HE SERVES? Is this a Democracy or not? He is not King George, for the love of god!

    His only job, his only PURPOSE is to listen to the people and do as they tell him! Him sticking to his beliefs which are unpopular is exactly the type of thing that Presidents should be impeached for.
     
  18. Jan 23, 2007 #17

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    I also think Bush's beliefs kind of threaten the notion of the separation between church and state.
     
  19. Jan 23, 2007 #18
    And the difference in Iraq under Bush's rule is what, exactly, oil?

    Why not compare Bush's rule in Iraq to Sadam's rule in Iraq?

    Yes, tyrants. That's exactly what I was talking about.
     
  20. Jan 24, 2007 #19
    What oil?! I havent heard of us getting any free oil, if so please post some kind of evidence of this. And there is a marked difference between Sadams Iraq and now, the current violence is not caused by the government but by the lack of an effective governing body. And Im not even sure what you are talking about in your third statement.

    In almost every government transition(where the current government is deposed) there has been an insurgency, the only real effective way to keep this from happening is to utterly vanquish your enemy. ie germany and japan after world war 2. Otherwise insurgencies are common.

    And in reference to sticks in stones this country is not a democracy
    it is a Constitution-based federal republic https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html
    and if any country was controlled entirely by the people it would'nt exist for very long.
     
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  21. Jan 24, 2007 #20

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    I think we should reflect on their beliefs before we blindly give people respect for this quality. The same could be said for any number of criminals, dictators, and schizophrenics.

    Presidents are elected to serve the people, not themselves.
     
  22. Jan 24, 2007 #21
    i belive before the war is over 5 to 7 permanent military bases will be left in iraq, history is written by the WINNERS.

    if you don't have food on your plate and someone else owns a store full is it wrong to take a loaf of bread or do you have to die to prove that you really needed the bread?

    i want to be idealistic too but the hard reality of what i've seen won't let me.
     
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  23. Jan 24, 2007 #22
    I have less respect for the political system than any single President.

    Both Presidents have done things that are great, good, bad and worse and nothing can change that. It is not like President George W. Bush waged the only war that the United States has taken part in during the later part of the 20th century and early 21th. I do not think that a simple change of President will change the overall goal of the US.
     
  24. Jan 24, 2007 #23
    You mean one person is a political animal who can acknowledge that he needs to be flexible in his approach; the other sticks to his guns, despite people telling him he's going to shoot himself in the foot, then when he does he seems surprised. I don't want to tell him I told you so about Iraq, but I did.:rolleyes:

    Bush has a singular vision, the problem is no one else but his cronies share it, and it's plainly clear it has failed.
     
  25. Jan 24, 2007 #24
    isn't bush conducting himself the same way in his second term as in his first? i think he is quite unpopular now but for the same reasons he was unpopular before, its just that his supporters have been convinced his actions are not good for the country after all
     
  26. Jan 24, 2007 #25

    Integral

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    Cause he can't bring himself to admit how wrong he was 4yrs ago.
     
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