Is Gravity a Fundamental Force or an Emergent Effect?

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The discussion centers on the nature of gravity, debating whether it is a fundamental force or an emergent effect arising from the curvature of spacetime. Participants highlight that General Relativity (GR) is a classical theory, while many physicists assert the necessity of a quantum theory of gravity that would incorporate a graviton as a force carrier. The conversation emphasizes that quantum field theory can indeed operate in curved spacetime, contradicting the notion that this is a future development. The consensus suggests that gravity may be an effective description rather than a fundamental force.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of General Relativity (GR)
  • Familiarity with Quantum Field Theory (QFT)
  • Knowledge of spacetime curvature concepts
  • Basic grasp of particle physics, specifically the graviton
NEXT STEPS
  • Explore the implications of Quantum Gravity theories
  • Study Hawking radiation and its relation to curved spacetime
  • Investigate the role of effective field theories in physics
  • Research the concept of emergent phenomena in theoretical physics
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The discussion is beneficial for theoretical physicists, students of astrophysics, and anyone interested in the foundational aspects of gravity and its relationship with quantum mechanics.

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If what we perceive as the force of gravity is really just the effect of curvature of spacetime, why do theorists
hypothesize the graviton as the force carrier for gravity? I thought that GR does away with the notion that gravity is a "force." So, is gravity a force or is it merely an effect?
 
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nytmr24 said:
I thought that GR does away with the notion that gravity is a "force."

GR is a classical theory, not a quantum theory. Many physicists believe that a quantum theory of gravity must exist that underlies GR (i.e., for which GR is the classical limit), and in such a theory, there should be a level of description at which gravity works similarly to the other three known fundamental interactions, i.e., it should have a "force carrier" particle, which is called the graviton.
 
Current QT stands on flat space-time. Natural extension to gravity is force particle as we deal with Newton's gravitation force up to 19th century.
However, after thorough study of QT and GM fusion, in future as you say we may be able to build QT on curved space-time background where gravitation is not perceived as force.
 
sweet springs said:
Current QT stands on flat space-time.

Not necessarily. Quantum field theory can be done in a curved background spacetime; for example, this is how Hawking radiation has been treated pretty much since its discovery.

sweet springs said:
in future as you say we may be able to build QT on curved space-time background

This isn't "in future". It's been done for several decades now. See above.
 
Yes it was introduced by Hawking, but not thoroughly as I hope.
 
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PeterDonis said:
GR is a classical theory, not a quantum theory. Many physicists believe that a quantum theory of gravity must exist that underlies GR (i.e., for which GR is the classical limit), and in such a theory, there should be a level of description at which gravity works similarly to the other three known fundamental interactions, i.e., it should have a "force carrier" particle, which is called the graviton.
It could be just an effective description, similar to how we use phonons to describe sound waves. It depends on the question whether gravity is an emergent phenomenon or fundamental.
 

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